I take it as the Chinese trying to provoke the Indians to take action. The political problem for China is not India as a whole, but the hawks who want to join the Quad and get Vietnamized fighting the Chinese. If the hawks take action and the hawks get slaughtered (because China has substantial advantages on the border), it's good for Sino-Indian relations.
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Who cares how professional something like this looks? If we are mentioning professionalism, then we should be talking about how the Indian troops broke ranks and fled on the sight of Chinese troops killing their commander, so much so that some fell over a cliff while retreating in such haste.
I do believe there was at least one died on PLA side.
And it's very bad and wrong idea for PLA to not disclose their casualties to save face for their opponent. That's just absurd logic and indicator that till this day China doesn't know how to handle India's aggressive behavior and encroachment.
Maybe it made sense in 1962 when China didn't know India well. But 2020?
Regardless what number China may provide, India can find their own ladder and come down themselves. After all, whatever number China says would just be mocked at, not just by India, but also Western media at large.
Hiding PLA casualties can only enbolden further aggressiveness from India side - it's easily seen as a sign of weakness in public eye, it's a disgrace and betrayal to those sacrificed their lives.
What China needs to do is to train India's behavior, both society and military. And hiding your own casualties in the name of saving your opponent's face can only do the opposite. From my observation, any goodwill from China side is seen as sign of weakness. And it's been like this for decades. This has to stop.
Now India is awarding their men medals. Rest assured, they will come back again.
What PLA is doing to their men? Just silent. Don't ever tell me this is the right approach. It is not. It is stupid, and it is weak.
And it's very bad and wrong idea for PLA to not disclose their casualties to save face for their opponent. That's just absurd logic and indicator that till this day China doesn't know how to handle India's aggressive behavior and encroachment.
Maybe it made sense in 1962 when China didn't know India well. But 2020?
Regardless what number China may provide, India can find their own ladder and come down themselves. After all, whatever number China says would just be mocked at, not just by India, but also Western media at large.
Hiding PLA casualties can only enbolden further aggressiveness from India side - it's easily seen as a sign of weakness in public eye, it's a disgrace and betrayal to those sacrificed their lives.
What China needs to do is to train India's behavior, both society and military. And hiding your own casualties in the name of saving your opponent's face can only do the opposite. From my observation, any goodwill from China side is seen as sign of weakness. And it's been like this for decades. This has to stop.
Now India is awarding their men medals. Rest assured, they will come back again.
What PLA is doing to their men? Just silent. Don't ever tell me this is the right approach. It is not. It is stupid, and it is weak.
It is entirely plausible that the PLA did not suffer any deaths, if in fact only 3 Indian soldiers were killed on the spot, and 17 later died of hypothermia. I would agree with you it's less likely not a single PLA soldier died if all 20 Indian soldiers were killed outright in a brawl.
plawolf
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Have you actually tried to sleep on top of a gun? Good luck actually getting to sleep with a hard lump pressed hard into your back. Odds are if you do manage to fall asleep you will roll off your gun in no time as you subconsciously try to get in a less uncomfortable position.
Locking guns in your legs is even more silly, and again you will loose control of your gun as soon as you fall asleep.
Besides, as a general rule, PLA soldiers don’t have their weapons chambered unless/until they expect to shoot. This is an unfortunate consequence of the earlier Type95 design, which has its safety selector in an awkward position on the bottom of the stock, which is hard to reach while trying to keep your weapon aimed. As such PLA soldiers tend to ignore the safety and only chamber rounds when they want to shoot or are expecting to do so.
So there isn’t much danger in holding your rifles like that unchambered.
Most indian civilians have no idea on how guns work. The soldiers prob took precaution handling their rifles like un-chambering the round, or no round in magazine anyways, and safety is on.
manqiangrexue
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I think among the generals and officials, both sides know that India was crushed and the PLA suffered nearly nothing. It's not the PLA hiding its strength against the Indian army. The reason China doesn't make this headline news is so Modi has an easier time backing off (which he realizes that he needs to) without a mob of 1.3B pushing him for escalation and revenge.
Multiple sources now hint fatality on PLA side, including Global Times editor-in-chief Hu Xinjin. He used 伤亡before which means casualties. Now he uses 阵亡者which means killed in action.
The CCP is absolutely horrible at PR. It’s horrible at telling its own side of the story.
Where did he say this?
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