Ladakh Flash Point
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I agree in spirit to a majority of what @ougoah has said. Also, India ought to be focusing on streamlining its narrative with backing up media content other than just opinion pieces and Statements from some Lt General either active/retired.
China simply has a better standing here due to consistency in their narrative and materials. Indian members may feel free to dissect them. I'm sure they'd agree with that to a huge extend. While I find Chinese "silence" in some cases quite unsettling, overall I think it's approach is quite good.
The same can't be said for India though. While pro-india members may blame it on the " free press" and deeply divided politics, I think a better target for blame would be the deeply rooted proclivity for trying to prove "China paper Tiger" narrative that they've gladly borrowed from China's other adversaries.
There are also ample racist /bigoted/factually wrong ideologies and beliefs like "Chinese people are short and weak", "Single child won't fight", "Chinese soldiers are conscripted and devoid of patriotism", "CCP is all about self service rather than national service" etc. that shapes the average Jai Hind's approach to PLA and China.
I see why many Indians would be having a hard time trying to grasp China having strong positions in many cases.
China simply has a better standing here due to consistency in their narrative and materials. Indian members may feel free to dissect them. I'm sure they'd agree with that to a huge extend. While I find Chinese "silence" in some cases quite unsettling, overall I think it's approach is quite good.
The same can't be said for India though. While pro-india members may blame it on the " free press" and deeply divided politics, I think a better target for blame would be the deeply rooted proclivity for trying to prove "China paper Tiger" narrative that they've gladly borrowed from China's other adversaries.
There are also ample racist /bigoted/factually wrong ideologies and beliefs like "Chinese people are short and weak", "Single child won't fight", "Chinese soldiers are conscripted and devoid of patriotism", "CCP is all about self service rather than national service" etc. that shapes the average Jai Hind's approach to PLA and China.
I see why many Indians would be having a hard time trying to grasp China having strong positions in many cases.
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India has all that messiness because the non-elite/brahmin sensible Indians are not given as much of a voice, in fact zero voice unless they parrot propaganda lines. We're also talking about a country that overall is actually very "far behind" in many ways. They're attitudes and collective intelligence is probably no better (if even that) of the crazy Chinese communists from the revolution era. Wealthy Indians who live above all that usually want to control the narratives in a way that ensures their livelihoods and political careers. It is no secret India's corruption makes China's already awful corruption seem infantile.
It is therefore no mystery how India could have a general Jai Hind crowd that is so bad as to make enemies of their own nationalists (less imbecilic ones) during the ongoing 250 MILLION people large protests not to even mention the Muslim protests and the student protests. Their more "reasonable" trolls i.e. not the Jai Hind ones, are bad enough to already receive some condemnation from the West as things stand just for speaking up a little bit about treatment of Muslims, Kashmir, and all that's happening in India. They haven't even truly attacked India lol.
So pathetic but understandable that this is the quality of people and collective intelligence. Then again these people also believe some much wilder things like cow piss being remedies or the entire sewage of crazy beliefs around India. This is much wilder than the odd Chinese idiot thinking tiger bones are remedies for ailments. China thankfully is slowly surely growing up well past the point of being a collectively moronic nation. India has accelerated in the direction of stupidity if anything. Thanks BJ Party.
There was no such thing as TASS “report”: it was a one liner in an article about the withdrawal agreement, in order to give it more context, though without any source backing it up.
Their source was Indian according to a Russian Foreign ministry official:
Another Western military analyst also agree that TASS only recycled old Indian news that claimed the number:
The real reason why China is releasing the numbers now is because the conflict is resolved, as both sides reached an agreement to withdrawl. China never intended to hide casualties, so now it is time to announce it for closure.
The reason China didn’t announce it back then is to avoid escalating the conflict with India. China’s focus is on Taiwan/US, not India. If China released the numbers back then, Chinese populace would demand revenge, and Indian populace/army would demand revenge to even the numbers.
China looks down India strategically because India isn’t even worthy to be China’s enemy/focus right now that China doesn’t even consider them an important enough threat strategically. China respects them tactically and that’s why Chinese army managed to move the LAC towards India and win at Galwan Valley by routing and killing 20 Indians including Colonel Babu, capturing 10 including 2 majors and 2 captains.. So next time don’t use Mao’s quote so wrongly.
Only in Indian fantasy mind is Pagong Tso a defeat for China. India used to patrol up to finger 8, now only up to finger 3. China stopped India’s salami slicing towards China and India lost their previously held territory of finger 3-4.
You seem to have the Indian mindset that can twist anything into an Indian victory, therefore I will consider you a spiritual Indian even if you aren’t one. Another day, another victory for India on the internet I guess.
Most Chinese still want revenge. I think that if India pulls off something stupid in the future, all bets are off.
What are you talking about?
Indians quoted chinese media first to report the incident
They went from "killed in action 3" to "fallen off the cliff 20" in matter of hours.
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Give it up man, this is not the first time people tired to clarify about the TASS rumors, he is just going to ignore that and keep repeating that lie the future.
also was the finger 2-4 buffer zone now?
No the main reason the CCP didn't release as much info during the clash was to avoid inflaming the Jai Hind masses. They were already in utter panic for the entire year and patching their broken egos with bandaid propaganda flops like killing 100+ PLA and Taiwan shooting down Su-35 and PLA mass graves from Chinese TV documentaries from the 2000s and 2010s of PLA graveyards in Xinjiang and Tibet set up in the 1950s.
This is just the tip of the iceberg that is Indian lies.
If CCP announced officially that they lost 5 PLA soldiers during the June fight and the events surrounding it, because there were plenty of violence before it as evidenced by Chinese released videos showing some less violent confrontations. The Jai Hinds would have lost it. They already lost it when they needed to invent fake news and then spread it as if it is truth just like they have been doing in Kashmir and wrt protests.
The other Indians would have become sensibly and justifiably angry enough to be even more anti-China than they already were/are.
The combined efforts of those two groups and the BJP's oppositions would have DEMANDED military action from Indian government. The Indian military would have become even more likely to take disorganised, broken command initiatives like Babu did with his hundreds of men to take what he considered a weak PLA position until reinforcements arrived.
If a conventional war happened, PLA smashing Indian military within a week and them running out of stock within days would be utterly fruitless. China would be condemned as violent because spin and western world biases. China would not get any new territory they haven't already settled because that would indeed be an aggressive move into what was bilaterally and internationally recognised as India. So China can't take new territory if they win a war, if the war gets scaled up, there would be potential it gets out of hand which would result in greater waste of life and material not to mention even if China won it, they would need to deal with a ruined northern India and the masses (close to a billion people) with a broken government.
Plus if they fought just to stay on the dispute, well the PLA already achieved that with India unable to move them militarily. Now the disengagement happened, it remains to be seen what China's bargain was for holding the undeniably superior hand when going into negotiations. Perhaps it is India related and there is a chance it isn't or some combination of deals.
Given that China's per capita GDP is 5x that of India, it's reasonable to deduce that one Chinese soldier is worth 5 Indian soldiers since the Chinese soldier likely earns as much as 5 Indian soldiers combined.
4 x 5 = 20. When you calculate it this way, it's clear the border conflict was a tie. The @Kakyan s on this thread can rest easy. India is still China's equal.
Let's all move on to prosperity together.
4 x 5 = 20. When you calculate it this way, it's clear the border conflict was a tie. The @Kakyan s on this thread can rest easy. India is still China's equal.
Let's all move on to prosperity together.
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