Ladakh Flash Point

twineedle said:

If that's the case, why did China withdraw nearly 1 km from pp 14 in July?

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LOL when did this ever happen in July?

Classic Indian moves again. Bog down the discussion with mountains and mountains of BS claims and if asked to support, always with doctored or dateless "satellite footage irrefutable!".

China never moved back until disengagement agreed by both sides. No idea on details of disengagement but I suggest the Jai Hind hotheads refrain from speculating and propagating Jai Hind bullshit until real and consistent news come out from Chinese side.

Apply critical thinking. Anyone and everyone can disprove China's official version of events and news and the evidence to disprove that nations would have are respectable. But notice they don't?

It would be easy for India to disprove any and all Chinese news if they were indeed false. The Indians don't because the Chinese version is actually truthful. The Chinese state don't dare make these fake news because they would be utterly bombarded by narratives from India to USA if they were caught out with fake news. The Indians were caught out by third parties e.g. bold and utterly bullshit claims on PLA deaths that number more than 4 or 5 with zero reputable sources propagating it EXCEPT TASS who have now embarrassingly for India, made statements to mention that their number of 45 PLA loss was from an unverified INDIAN Source... you know those Indian anonymous sources that also claim 100+ PLA deaths and Taiwan shooting down a Su-35 back in 2020... yeah lol.

Disengagement could be because India is opening up some other fronts with China like in the Mcmahon line side or AP with similar intrusion like the October 2020 one into Reqin or China proper. China probably sees they would either need a decisive war with India to stop these things or to come to some agreement. Indians are honeslty less worthy an opponent. There is really not much for China to gain but plenty of India and let's face it, India China war would be to the absolute glee of the US as well as China spends material on sorting India out. IA really is much less worthwhile but if IA did push hard again and into other fronts, personally I wouldn't mind seeing modern PLA give the Indians a new lesson. Modi and the RSS mini Hitlers are just too ball-less to really push as evidenced by unwillingness to engage China despite PLA spending an entire year inside India's claims.

EblisTx said:

The Chinese only recognized the death of 3 Indians. It was the terrible logistics on the Indian side who killed the rest. I would not consider it as a price paid. Not to mention the premium to be for being the aggressor in the first place as well as playing dirty.

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Yes but that's CCP's narrative. There is every chance that some of those 20+ Indian confirmed losses were actually killed by PLA in cold blood. It's impossible to say without either side providing some official word on it.

longmarch said:

肉食者鄙，it was far from ideal and I'm entitled to criticize.

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You are entitled to your wrong opinions.

manqiangrexue said:

How do you know that, or are you just guessing? Because if I've been talking to a person who uses Chinese chengyu with a screen name of Longmarch and he's NOT Chinese, I'm getting trolled big time...

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Because he's using the same tactics as Indian media. Any Chinese achievements, he turns it into a failure of some kind. Any Indian failure, and he turns it into a Chinese failure, because reasons.

China kicked India ass, killing and capturing dozens of enemies? He lambasts China for not right away publicizing the 4 Chinese casualties. China taking over 1000 sq km of Indian territory? He calls the Chinese government cowardly for retreating. China pacifies HK with the National Security Law? Again he blames the Chinese government for letting HK deteriorate.

Now granted, he could be a hanjian or a westerner, but the fact that he's active in this thread arguing the same nonsensical position as the Indian trolls, leads me to believe he's actually Indian.

It’s funny because you can fairly accurately measure the extent of Jai Hind butthurt from the amount of spam they put out.

Ever since that CCTV video aired, this thread has absolutely blown up.

If China did a bad job or lost anything, how come it’s the Indian Jai Hinds who are most butthurt? Their lies and projections are as transparent as they are desperate.

plawolf said:

It’s funny because you can fairly accurately measure the extent of Jai Hind butthurt from the amount of spam they put out.

Ever since that CCTV video aired, this thread has absolutely blown up.

If China did a bad job or lost anything, how come it’s the Indian Jai Hinds who are most butthurt? Their lies and projections are as transparent as they are desperate.

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Show me the money, or in this case show me the video. Maybe the Indians did capture video of the incident but all of their phones either got confiscated by the PLA or they tossed them away to lighten the load during the great escape.

China sensibly refrains from providing any details and detailed statements as a situation is ongoing and developing - not a rescue mission but potential war. Get's called hiding info.

India on a rampage of fake news that often contradict their own words the previous day with non-stop inflamming the tensions as a political distraction and an attempt to redeem their failures. Failures? Making moves and then only getting China to respond in a way they couldn't deal with. Yeah that failure.

Now it's all about "India won because we were never in there in the first place so basically China only established a disengagement on territory they had the upper hand on before... so basically we won" LOL.

You honestly cannot argue with this sort of crowd. Just from Indian media running like a headless chicken for the last year is evidence enough how mature and sensible one civilisation is compared to the other.

Look at how the situation is now tamed and disengagement has finished, China has provided the information. Only after the situation is under control and the threat of escalations down. Now China sensibly provides all the details everyone wanted. Some footage of clashes. Which PLA soldiers died. Where they are buried. The funeral proceedings. The PLA commander with an obvious cranial injury that required what looks like pretty serious surgery.

So far absolutely nothing the PLA and CCP said has been proven untrue. Nothing said has been challenged by a single nation or single OSINT. Not even challenged by IA and Indian gov despite all having many means of obtaining the truth through satellite and actual military intel, so not those anonymous Jai Hind farts. All the news with photos or videos showing what's said or at least indicating what's said is likely.

Clashes happened in multiple parts - true
PLA involved in standoff with IA - true
May clash resulted in IA subdued and captured - true
PLA captured much of China's claims - true
Debunked Indian claims of PLA moving back in 2020 - true
June fighting resulted in dozens of IA captured and "casualties on both sides" - true
Returned IA captives on multiple occasions - true
20+ IA dead from exposure and injuries - losses were true as confirmed by India but cannot ascertain how
IA intrusion in Reqin - true
IA pushed out of Reqin - true
IA attempting to take Black top and helmet top - true
Hints that 1 PLA comm officer KIA and 2 PLA succumbing to injuries days/week after June fights - they eventually added one more with the eventual disclosure of 4 PLA losses.

Everything said by CCP proven true but notice they provide info after events not during. And now there's disengagement, the June fighting losses are also reported. Compare and contrast with headless chicken, girls deserve rape Jai Hindia.

Remember to be on the lookout for Jai Hind narrative soon to follow the line that India never camped in disputed stretch or patrolled up to China's recognised border. Some of the more daring idiots will probably also claim and report that India never started building roads and military infrastructure leading to disputed zone until 2020.

Goalpost being moved will save them some face I suppose.

ougoah said:

China sensibly refrains from providing any details and detailed statements as a situation is ongoing and developing - not a rescue mission but potential war. Get's called hiding info.

India on a rampage of fake news that often contradict their own words the previous day with non-stop inflamming the tensions as a political distraction and an attempt to redeem their failures. Failures? Making moves and then only getting China to respond in a way they couldn't deal with. Yeah that failure.

Now it's all about "India won because we were never in there in the first place so basically China only established a disengagement on territory they had the upper hand on before... so basically we won" LOL.

You honestly cannot argue with this sort of crowd. Just from Indian media running like a headless chicken for the last year is evidence enough how mature and sensible one civilisation is compared to the other.

Look at how the situation is now tamed and disengagement has finished, China has provided the information. Only after the situation is under control and the threat of escalations down. Now China sensibly provides all the details everyone wanted. Some footage of clashes. Which PLA soldiers died. Where they are buried. The funeral proceedings. The PLA commander with an obvious cranial injury that required what looks like pretty serious surgery.

So far absolutely nothing the PLA and CCP said has been proven untrue. Nothing said has been challenged by a single nation or single OSINT. Not even challenged by IA and Indian gov despite all having many means of obtaining the truth through satellite and actual military intel, so not those anonymous Jai Hind farts. All the news with photos or videos showing what's said or at least indicating what's said is likely.

Clashes happened in multiple parts - true
PLA involved in standoff with IA - true
May clash resulted in IA subdued and captured - true
PLA captured much of China's claims - true
Debunked Indian claims of PLA moving back in 2020 - true
June fighting resulted in dozens of IA captured and "casualties on both sides" - true
Returned IA captives on multiple occasions - true
20+ IA dead from exposure and injuries - losses were true as confirmed by India but cannot ascertain how
IA intrusion in Reqin - true
IA pushed out of Reqin - true
IA attempting to take Black top and helmet top - true
Hints that 1 PLA comm officer KIA and 2 PLA succumbing to injuries days/week after June fights - they eventually added one more with the eventual disclosure of 4 PLA losses.

Everything said by CCP proven true but notice they provide info after events not during. And now there's disengagement, the June fighting losses are also reported. Compare and contrast with headless chicken, girls deserve rape Jai Hindia.

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All female brigades on the frontier actually volunteered for patrol duties after the Galwan incident. Nothing would humiliate the Jai Hinds more than an ass whooping from actual sissies.

People resort to personal attack when they can't win the debate. I'm not going to report you.
The notion that Modi would escalate this into 1962 v2 just because China release some numbers is pure hallucination. Quite the opposite, had China released this video earlier, it would show the world what really happened, helped de-escalate instead of the other way around.

As Mao said, look down your opponent strategically, respect them tactically. PLA betrayed both principles and did just the opposite. I'm not the traiter, they are.

Strategically, PLA thinkers always give all sorts of excuses, concern about Taiwan, US, covid, logistics, blah blah, like Indians don't have their issues. Because of that, they are not willing to escalate, and yield all initiative to India side.

Tactically, they are daring, reckless and old-fashioned, their weakness in strategically thinking limited their minds, thus the miscalculation in Pangong Tso, resulting in defeat.

The purpose of releasing this information now:
- they have no choice because of TASS report
- about save face at Pangong Tso .if there is anyway to link these two, this is the way.
- solidify their position in Galwan negotiation. As I said, releasing factual information helps de-escalate and solidify PLA, not stupidly thinking otherwise.

I'm not Westerner, but I know pretty well what they think. Would they think this is smart way to handle it? Oh Gosh.

Being humiliated once is not a big problem, not learning your lessons and mishandling border issues for decades IS a big problem.

I'm not saying Indians did any better, but they are just being who they are.