Ladakh Flash Point

Sardaukar20 said:

Perhaps Hu Xijin is starting to notice how un-shockingly fast Indian BS news goes around. Its 2021 already, we live in a world where BS gets more traction than it deserves. Perhaps he could feedback that to his higher ups. This is the price for their lack of transparency.

I can't see why hiding the real numbers in this particular case could benefit China. By not embarrassing India? Well India is already on a warpath to embarrass China. So what does it matter? Would India not come to a deal because China is embarrassing India? I don't believe that BS. Pakistan humiliated the hell out of India after Operation Swift Retort. Did that humiliated India started a full-scale war with Pakistan? Nope.

This fake narrative that more PLA troops died than IA troops is gonna be written into some history books. I won't be surprised that some Indians in the future are gonna be gung-ho about another border confrontation with China. Because they were taught that "India had won the last one". Add people like Kakyan who couldn't care about the lives of Jawans and pilots. It's a recipe for another border confrontation to happen.

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True and international outlets will also sadly side with India. TASS,CNN,RT,BBC everybody quoted India and mentioned 40 PLA deaths because China remained silent and these outlets had no choice but to go with Indian accounts. This why messaging is important and you have to take the lead or else you lose out permanently.

China should actually learn from Pakistan in Information warfare. When Balakot strikes happened and India started spreading that 300 terrorists were killed, Pakistan immediately brought all International Journalists to LOC . They were given free hand to explore and finally when it was proven that the bombs fell on some trees and barren land, the Indians quickly dropped the 300 figure .
Again when India spread that F-16 was shot down , Pakistan had all the jets accounted for by US defense experts. Internationally Balakot was seen as Pakistans diplomatic and military victory.

By not being transparent you cede ground to propagandists who alter the history books.

Kaeshmiri said:

True and international outlets will also sadly side with India. TASS,CNN,RT,BBC everybody quoted India and mentioned 40 PLA deaths because China remained silent and these outlets had no choice but to go with Indian accounts. This why messaging is important and you have to take the lead or else you lose out permanently.

China should actually learn from Pakistan in Information warfare. When Balakot strikes happened and India started spreading that 300 terrorists were killed, Pakistan immediately brought all International Journalists to LOC . They were given free hand to explore and finally when it was proven that the bombs fell on some trees and barren land, the Indians quickly dropped the 300 figure .
Again when India spread that F-16 was shot down , Pakistan had all the jets accounted for by US defense experts. Internationally Balakot was seen as Pakistans diplomatic and military victory.

By not being transparent you cede ground to propagandists who alter the history books.

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@Kaeshmiri but debunking them is a lot of fun and China became an expert by showing humiliating pictures and videos and see the Indians goes bonkers ....LOL

ansy1968 said:

@Kaeshmiri but debunking them is a lot of fun and China became an expert by showing humiliating pictures and videos and see the Indians goes bonkers ....LOL

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I'm waiting for the pics of the 30-40 POWs China had. When India officially spreads lies then China shouldn't hold back and release whatever information they have.

Kaeshmiri said:

True and international outlets will also sadly side with India. TASS,CNN,RT,BBC everybody quoted India and mentioned 40 PLA deaths because China remained silent and these outlets had no choice but to go with Indian accounts. This why messaging is important and you have to take the lead or else you lose out permanently.

China should actually learn from Pakistan in Information warfare. When Balakot strikes happened and India started spreading that 300 terrorists were killed, Pakistan immediately brought all International Journalists to LOC . They were given free hand to explore and finally when it was proven that the bombs fell on some trees and barren land, the Indians quickly dropped the 300 figure .
Again when India spread that F-16 was shot down , Pakistan had all the jets accounted for by US defense experts. Internationally Balakot was seen as Pakistans diplomatic and military victory.

By not being transparent you cede ground to propagandists who alter the history books.

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You should know by now the sentiment that China held against foreign meddling, do you?

I don't think the disengagement will take place. Do you think that the tanks that moved back will not be able to come forward or how back they went?
Anyone having any information whether again the PLA will move?

Rubeena said:

I don't think the disengagement will take place. Do you think that the tanks that moved back will not be able to come forward or how back they went?
Anyone having any information whether again the PLA will move?

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Its a temporary disengagement as per both sides. Both sides, if assumed to be devoid of malice, intends to develop it into a lasting disengagement.

To really understand if the issues at border has been put to rest, one must first try to understand why and how it was disturbed in the first place. But that's a very political question as well as a nationalist one. Only by weighing the various factors that influence the decisions of both countries can a plausible answer be arrived at...

So, in short, NO. This disengagement won't stand for long. Not if the culprits haven't learned and decided to change. Not if the primary factors that influenced hasn't changed.

jfy1155 said:

Another Indian melt down

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362649388275757058

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Yeah right "1st Chinese combat deaths since 1979". China have sustained peacetime military losses between 1979 to now. How is admitting some military deaths now a national humiliation for China? But when India admits military deaths, that's called honoring sacrifices? LOL! Yeah that's pure Indian butthurt logic!

Tell you what Brahma Chellaney. Those 4 Chinese soldiers who died, they died fighting the enemy while being ambushed, and outnumbered. While many of those Indians who died, it was mainly due to stupidity, battlefield cowardice, incompetence, and possibly friendly-fire. 3 died trying to play Bollywood superheroes. 17 died while running away from the enemy; abandoned by their own Army to die. 1 died by landmine (highly suspected to be a friendly landmine). 1 died after getting squashed by a falling APC. Unknown numbers more froze to death in the Ladakh winter because of blatant govt incompetence. All that my friend, is the true national humiliation.

India must come clean now! How much territory was lost to China? How many men have died due not to enemy action? What has India gained from those sacrifice in blood as of 2021?

jfy1155 said:

Another Indian melt down

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Obviously. Colony India is a colonial bred existence of thousands year humiliation. The colony that surrendered to briton's feet without even fighting. They admitted 20 instantly, means death toll is much more higher. They still didn't say how many were taken as POW.

Of course we know indians & their forefathers, truth & them don't go along. They only know what their colonial forefathers taught them. Remember what india's papa pompeo said?


Today or tomorrow indians will accept their new master.

Temstar said:

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祁发宝, regimental commander, was in charge of the negotiation (he had only a few men with him at the time) and thus the initial fighting, seriously injured

陈红军. battalion commander
陈祥榕, trooper
These two were involved in breaking the encirclement, KIA

肖思远, trooper
Broke out of the initial encirclement then went back to help, KIA

王焯冉, trooper
Drowned while trying to save others during the reinforcement

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No wonder why the PLA took revenge at nighttime and slaughtered 20 to 50 Indian soldiers with spiked clubs and rods or forced them into a fast icy river. I do wonder if Colonel Babu, the India CO killed by a rock, and the dozens of Indian soldiers killed (and 60 more captured) were part of the same group which ambushed the small PLA negotiation unit. Having said this, I think its still a shame this information was not reported 8 months ago, when it should have been.

I think it's pointless to talk about TASS as a source for something like this. They don't have people on the ground or direct connections to know the right numbers. TASS is usually reliable if we're talking about Russian related news but this isn't the case here.