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Kaeshmiri

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I think it's pointless to talk about TASS as a source for something like this. They don't have people on the ground or direct connections to know the right numbers. TASS is usually reliable if we're talking about Russian related news but this isn't the case here.

As predicted. TASS published Indian version of death toll. This is what i said above, all outlets went with the Indian version because China didn't release theirs.
 

FishWings

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The Indians can BS the casualties all they want. But there is one thing that even they can’t argue against— they left twenty of their own in the frigid Galwan Valley just to save their behinds. What kind of brave hearts do that?
*Checks notes*

Yes they were actually showing restraint by going for a swim and abandoning their slain comrades, you see. They were just saving the behinds of other PLA soldiers out of the goodness of their noble hearts, and they decided to not escalate the situation but instead temporarily withdraw to let cooler heads prevail.

Not like they were scared of anything at all, no. If anything they probably outnumbered PLA by as many as 6:1 but their SOF reinforcements just showed super restraint and stayed hidden in the water freezing to death while their other guys were getting bludgeoned on the surface.
 

Mt1701d

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As predicted. TASS published Indian version of death toll. This is what i said above, all outlets went with the Indian version because China didn't release theirs.
Lol I like how the guy had to add #Breaking to the tweet as if people that actually pay any minute amount of attention didn’t already know that any foreign news numbers would be quoting from some Indian fake news source... only Indians, people with bias/agendas and people who don’t give a sh*t would actually believe Indian BS
 

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As predicted. TASS published Indian version of death toll. This is what i said above, all outlets went with the Indian version because China didn't release theirs.
As if anyone would take TASS seriously even if it was reliably sourced. In a world where Global Times, BBC, CNN, Reuters etc are scrutinized and seen with suspicion, what high ground can TASS take? Does it have a history of reporting unbiased, credible news? Is it demonstrably devoid of favoritism of ideology or narratives?


Some Indian handles cité "Russian sources" as if it was like the Papal Bulls straight from the Vatican, in a world where even Papal bulls are seen with suspicion.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Does anyone remember if the photo of Indians tied laying on the ground were from the Galvan Valley skirmish or the other skirmish from spring?
 

Kaeshmiri

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As if anyone would take TASS seriously even if it was reliably sourced. In a world where Global Times, BBC, CNN, Reuters etc are scrutinized and seen with suspicion, what high ground can TASS take? Does it have a history of reporting unbiased, credible news? Is it demonstrably devoid of favoritism of ideology or narratives?


Some Indian handles cité "Russian sources" as if it was like the Papal Bulls straight from the Vatican, in a world where even Papal bulls are seen with suspicion.

Nobody considers TASS as ultra-reliable but because it is Russian State media it was being considered as viewpoint of Russian Govt. Hence the celebrations by Indians as they felt that Russian Govt (Strong Chinese ally) has vindicated their stand.
 

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Nobody considers TASS as ultra-reliable but because it is Russian State media it was being considered as viewpoint of Russian Govt. Hence the celebrations by Indians as they felt that Russian Govt (Strong Chinese ally) has vindicated their stand.
Russia isn't a strong Chinese ally. The alliance (which I don't think exists) if any, is one of common priorities and interests.

Why does India think China needs Russia to be its ally? Strong countries don't go out for alliances. They'd have friends but no "allies".
 

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Before that fateful dogfight. The SU-30MKI was the darling of the IAF. Many things were boasted about it including its Bars radar, R77 missile, and most famously for "tracking" a J-20 at over 100km away (yeah right).
Nothing to really brag about when China has in its possession everything that makes the MKI a strong aircraft, except better i.e. Su-35S.

Irbis-E is a modernized derivative of the Bars radar while the R-77 (original designated RVV-AE) is nothing spectacular either. It got outranged by AIM-120Cs during Swift Retort, which is presumably why they wasted no time in buying the extended-range R-77-1 from Russia almost immediately after the engagement (which btw they also stated that they would be replacing R-77s with Israeli missiles, didn't work out I guess). And IIRC the R-77s that were acquired along with Su-35S for the PLAAF were also the improved '-1' variant

That is to say, whatever tricks the MKI has up its sleeve, China is already both aware of it and, almost certainly, very much prepared for it. Possibly even overestimating it too since I assume the Su-35S is used as simulated MKI in training, with the performance specs assumed to be the same as MKI even if it is more capable in most ways, and at least equal in others. Highly doubt whatever French/Israeli avionics and jammers they jury rig into it would give it a decisive edge, just like how they didn't give the Bison a decisive edge. They definitely posed a serious threat in 2004, but I doubt they've been a giant source of worry since 2013 at latest.

So Rafale is now their new mystical and legendary silver bullet against the PLAAF (other than the omni-purpose BrahMos ofc), and when the day comes where it's Rafale's turn to get shot out the sky, they would have already moved on to the Su-57E or something.
 
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Kaeshmiri

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Russia isn't a strong Chinese ally. The alliance (which I don't think exists) if any, is one of common priorities and interests.

Why does India think China needs Russia to be its ally? Strong countries don't go out for alliances. They'd have friends but no "allies".
Subjective but that wasn't my point.
 
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