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Xizor

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US govt never claimed it. It was just private media.



India did not even send a single soldier or civilian to those areas in 15 yrs as that area was considered inaccessble from Indian side for over 15 years. So it has absolutely nothing to with Modi rule which started in 2014 let alone with 2020 standoff.

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Send your reasoning to the newspaper HQ. I'm just quoting one of your nation's newspaper. I've never mentioned by name, your leader. Neither am I interested in the internal politics of the country.
 

twineedle

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Well if India recognises these are Chinese land and has been for at least the last 30 to 40 years, then that's umm pretty good... for China.

Pangong lake north side China claims to finger 3 iirc not finger 4. India claims to finger 8. Both sides patrolled up to their interpretation of border with spillover.

Now the disengagement at the north side suggests IA will go back behind finger 3 and not step into the F3 to F8 stretch while PLA go back behind finger 8 and not step into that buffer stretch. So basically the net end result is exactly the same claim lines (at pangong lake only) but no more stepping into the disputed (now buffer) stretch.

Since the positions now occupied by PLA in Galwan valley, hot springs etc are raised by India's MoD like you have even said yourself. How is it possible that India always recognised where PLA is sitting up there as Chinese territory? The Indian MoD is negotiating for disengagement there as well but if they think it's Chinese land, what's to negotiate??

The fact is the IA built up more infrastructure in those parts before the clash. Pangong gets a lot of attention because it's easier to visually understand the positions. Now the Indian constructions discussed and photographed thousands of pages before, have been shown to have become demolished. It's entirely possible there will be disengagement up north as well. It's not recognised as Chinese land by India at all. If it were, they won't be negotiating for it and publicly declaring so.
I'm not sure why you are talking about Galwan, where disengagement happened last July. Both sides moved back from PP14, the approximate location of the LAC, and clash, although Indian camps are closer.


Although, both sides have limited operations in Galwan due to the winter.

Don't know what you mean by Indian constructions being taken down, becasue the Indian beidge built near the mouth of the Galwan was completed and still standing. Although tbh it doesn't really matter now. All constructions in pp14 were taken down, but those were mostly Chinese. The only thing India had built was a temporary defensive wall.

Disengagement is also complete at hot springs, so only gogra is left. Although China is not on the Indian side of the LAC, but India still wants a buffer zone there to create more distance between Indian Army and PLA.

Overall is the disengagement on Pangong is completed, status quo ante as of February 2020 will be restored. Sounds like a win win for both, and not a complete Chinese victory like some are suggesting.
 

Xizor

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Galwan has been cleared since July 2020 by both sides.
India will next move for disengagement in hot springs and gogra.

Depsnag is considered a lost case as it 15 years old and there was no new intrusion there in 2020.
Instead both sides will move offensive forces on their sides.
So Depsang belongs to China? It's said in the indian news report that China, only recently, stopped Indian patrols beyond the Y junction.
 
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Xizor

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Sounds like a win win for both, and not a complete Chinese victory like some are suggesting.
Who here suggested a complete Chinese victory?

No one. You want to see people here harp about a complete victory so that you may have your way.
No takers here for that. Rather, many here only want a win much more favorable to China.
 

twineedle

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Send your reasoning to the newspaper HQ. I'm just quoting one of your nation's newspaper. I've never mentioned by name, your leader. Neither am I interested in the internal politics of the country.
Hello,
The picture you posted appears to conflict with satellite imagery and other third party analysis that I have seen, such as this one.

It could be that particular source is mistaken. After all, Indian media isn't very reliable. Though for what its worth, the Wire is very anti-Modi/BJP, which could influence those claims. Several other respected sources like the Print and Hindustan Times, have said otherwise.

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Xizor

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Hello,
The picture you posted appears to conflict with satellite imagery and other third party analysis that I have seen, such as this one.

It could be that particular source is mistaken. After all, Indian media isn't very reliable. Though for what its worth, the Wire is very anti-Modi/BJP, which could influence those claims. Several other respected sources like the Print and Hindustan Times, have said otherwise.

Regards.
Have said otherwise? As in, Depsang is not in China's hand?

The claim here is Depsang is in China's possession. Does India claim Depsang as its own is the question.

We aren't talking about the Modi party's borders rather India's borders.
 

manqiangrexue

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Those are private media not US govt and they were authored by Indian nationals or were quoting Indian sources
Oh, so Indian national and Indian sources are not to be trusted, right? I would agree with that LOL

By the way, I briefly rescanned those 2 articles and the only sources they cited were "Indian officials," sometimes with name and military rank, not any Indian media, etc...

From the Bloomberg article: "India realized it had lost control of about 250 square kilometers of land in the Depsang Plains, which holds key roads leading up to the Karakoram Pass, as well as 50 square kilometers of land in the Pangong Tso, Indian officials said."

So basically, you're saying that Indian media and Indian officials and all articles citing them are not trustworthy, right? You have a funny way of arguing for your country...
 

twineedle

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Have said otherwise? As in, Depsang is not in China's hand?

The claim here is Depsang is in China's possession. Does India claim Depsang as its own is the question.

We aren't talking about the Modi party's borders rather India's borders.
I am saying that if the disengagement is completed, the staus quo will return to how it was around February 2020.
Oh, so Indian national and Indian sources are not to be trusted, right? I would agree with that LOL

By the way, I briefly rescanned those 2 articles and the only sources they cited were "Indian officials," sometimes with name and military rank, not any Indian media, etc...

From the Bloomberg article: "India realized it had lost control of about 250 square kilometers of land in the Depsang Plains, which holds key roads leading up to the Karakoram Pass, as well as 50 square kilometers of land in the Pangong Tso, Indian officials said."

So basically, you're saying that Indian media and Indian officials and all articles citing them are not trustworthy, right? You have a funny way of arguing for your country...
Bloomberg also reported that India captured a Chinese camp. Plenty of different media are saying different things. I thought Western and Indian sources are biased against China? I am basing my views from satellite images, which are some of the only neutral evidence we currently have.
 
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