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SampanViking

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Nobonita Barua said:
According to that statement, even without the occupation of China, according to India LAC is upto F8.
So according to your own statement, you can't now go upto F8 which s your territory by your perception, correct?

Btw whats written in that orange map above in hindi? That's interesting orange juice spill over with label we cant understand.
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If my flaky knowledge of history is correct, then the orange on the map shows the historical extent of Buddhism, prior to the arrival of Islam. Add to that the slogan, it would infer that somebody wishes to present Tibetan Buddhism as the the sole legitimate Buddhist faith and to global overlord of all mapped territories.
 
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If my flaky knowledge of history is correct, then the orange on the map shows the historical extent of Buddhism, prior to the arrival of Islam. Add to that the slogan, it would infer that somebody wishes to present Tibetan Buddhism as the the sole legitimate Buddhist faith and to global overlord of all mapped territories.
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That can't be right. Northern China and Korea are excluded from the map.
 
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If my flaky knowledge of history is correct, then the orange on the map shows the historical extent of Buddhism, prior to the arrival of Islam. Add to that the slogan, it would infer that somebody wishes to present Tibetan Buddhism as the the sole legitimate Buddhist faith and to global overlord of all mapped territories.
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AFAIK historical extent of buddhism has never been up to Persia, let alone Israel & Egypt. And that orange color isn't used by buddhists in a map in general . Because Buddhists aren't obsessed with ex-empires. I am born Buddhist agnostic, thatS why my surname is "Barua" :oops::oops:
 
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SampanViking said:
If my flaky knowledge of history is correct, then the orange on the map shows the historical extent of Buddhism, prior to the arrival of Islam. Add to that the slogan, it would infer that somebody wishes to present Tibetan Buddhism as the the sole legitimate Buddhist faith and to global overlord of all mapped territories.
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I'm deviating a bit from the topic but -

Those are the extend of their supposed Hindu empire. Or what ought to be. Purely a religio-cultural construct that affords and assumes them (India) to be the "Middle Kingdom" with the mandate to rule extending from their claims as the original source of Hindu religion.

However, there's an issue. India isn't the primary source of Hindu religion, if one is ready to dig deep, you'll find that Hinduism or whatever proto-religion it stemmed from, had a fluidic existence in Western - central Asia ( Ukraine-Mesopotamia-Iran-Afghanistan) region.

Atleast, archeological evidences suggests that (as evidenced by the spread of swastika). If one "assumes" symbols like swastika to be "Hindu" origin (which it likely isn't).

Sanskrit language, traditions and rituals, Fire worshipping, Dieties and Gods they worship all had been part of or share extreme similarities with various proto-religions that existed in the region I mentioned above.

What they claim, however is that it all originated in India. This is, however, in disagreement with archeological evidences ( many artifacts found in these western Asia are older than their Indian "sources").

Its a very messy topic and if one digs deep, it'll almost become a study of civilization, cultures and human migration and race.



 
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1. Continued win (advantage) in Depsang
2. Slight loss in North Pangong Tso (had to pull back from F4 and stop patrols to F4)
3. Win in South Pangong Tso ( Indian advancements of taking two hills reversed).
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There are 3 other features: Galwan, Gogra and Hot Springs, all of which are a win for the PLA.

As for North Pangong Tso... This is an interesting situation. I would think the PLA pulled back from those fingers because Indians on the south bank had overwatch, so it's tactically a bad place for the PLA to be. If a war broke out, their southern flank on Finger 4 would be completely exposed. It would've caused a lot of headaches in an actual war.

Which raises the question: Why did the PLA make that move into F4 to begin with? I think there's three possibilities:

1) It was a tactical error.
2) It was a diversion, to draw India's resources away from more important sectors.
3) The PLA wanted to gain an expendable chip that it could throw away at the right time (e.g. after a US election), while keeping everything else that it actually wanted to keep.

I think #3 is most likely, but regardless of the right answer, by moving back from F4 the PLA's tactical and operational position has actually improved, while strategically nothing has changed, despite the bollywood victory parade by India. And overall, the situation still vastly favors China:

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There are 3 other features: Galwan, Gogra and Hot Springs, all of which are a win for the PLA.

As for North Pangong Tso... This is an interesting situation. I would think the PLA pulled back from those fingers because Indians on the south bank had overwatch, so it's tactically a bad place for the PLA to be. If a war broke out, their southern flank on Finger 4 would be completely exposed. It would've caused a lot of headaches in an actual war.

Which raises the question: Why did the PLA make that move into F4 to begin with? I think there's three possibilities:

1) It was a tactical error.
2) It was a diversion, to draw India's resources away from more important sectors.
3) The PLA wanted to gain an expendable chip that it could throw away at the right time (e.g. after a US election), while keeping everything else that it actually wanted to keep.

I think #3 is most likely, but regardless of the right answer, by moving back from F4 the PLA's tactical and operational position has actually improved, while strategically nothing has changed, despite the bollywood victory parade by India. And overall, the situation still vastly favors China:

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That's an interesting insight. I never thought of it that way before.

If that's the case then it prompted India to match by seizing locations south of PangongTso.
 
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There are 3 other features: Galwan, Gogra and Hot Springs, all of which are a win for the PLA.

2) It was a diversion, to draw India's resources away from more important sectors.
3) The PLA wanted to gain an expendable chip that it could throw away at the right time (e.g. after a US election), while keeping everything else that it actually wanted to keep.

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The story is dated.

You are right, likely, regarding North Pangong Tso. I don't think neither India or China committed any "tactical blunders" here, atleast after the whole soldier Babu situation.

China must have taken F4 as a chip to throw away. But the same can be said for India regarding the two hills it took South of Pangong Tso.

Ultimately, the 1959 status quo is reestablished.
The real test that determines if the deal stands the test of turbulence is how India approaches Depsang and HS.

Btw, regarding South Pangong Tso, again regrettably quoting Indian press,

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(lake) will see Indian troops moving to their post in Chushul and China to the Moldo garrison. In the next phase, additional Indian troops will move further down, around 40 km to Tara-Rhongo post, and Chinese troops to Dorjo, a senior government official told The Hindu.

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I'm deviating a bit from the topic but -

Those are the extend of their supposed Hindu empire. Or what ought to be. Purely a religio-cultural construct that affords and assumes them (India) to be the "Middle Kingdom" with the mandate to rule extending from their claims as the original source of Hindu religion.

However, there's an issue. India isn't the primary source of Hindu religion, if one is ready to dig deep, you'll find that Hinduism or whatever proto-religion it stemmed from, had a fluidic existence in Western - central Asia ( Ukraine-Mesopotamia-Iran-Afghanistan) region.

Atleast, archeological evidences suggests that (as evidenced by the spread of swastika). If one "assumes" symbols like swastika to be "Hindu" origin (which it likely isn't).

Sanskrit language, traditions and rituals, Fire worshipping, Dieties and Gods they worship all had been part of or share extreme similarities with various proto-religions that existed in the region I mentioned above.

What they claim, however is that it all originated in India. This is, however, in disagreement with archeological evidences ( many artifacts found in these western Asia are older than their Indian "sources").

Its a very messy topic and if one digs deep, it'll almost become a study of civilization, cultures and human migration and race.
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Isn't this basically the basis for the idea of the Aryan race that just went around founding civilizations but apparently ended up basically dying out someway somehow? Considering the Indian RSS, I'm not too surprised they'd claim this theory and add the spin on it that they are the true Aryans.
 
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