Ladakh Flash Point

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Xizor

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It may have been the case where China had NOT actually wanted to choose this period of time in history to re-ignite this border or chose to respond this way to the moves by India since Doklam crisis. But rather it was really India that built up that momentum since budging in to the Bhutan China dialogue in 2013.

Perhaps India chose to inflame at this point in time not just with Doklam and increased salami slicing but also art. 370, road building, and threatening CPEC along with greater degree and depth of patrols to which PLA eventually was ordered to respond with activities since May 2020. I'm not blaming Indians. They legitimately see it as their land and then some and they do have better reasons in all honesty. Not from historic borders but from the simple fact that these parts are much closer and threatening to them since they are within even long range artillery fire of a lot of their dense northern urban areas. Anyway.

It would make sense if all CCP wanted from PLA's move and settlement more than half way into the disputed western section between valley and lake, was just to get absolute written agreements from Indian government that there will be at least no more IA patrols up to finger 8 and associated Indian recognised borders and no more road building/ construction nearby. If those conditions are met along with total withdrawal from IA back to behind finger 3, the PLA will move behind finger 8. This would really mean China was never ahead to begin with and India delayed agreeing to conditions even after PLA captured all that land because India was ahead to begin with and wanted to keep trying different wants to maintain their lead.

The reason for India eventually agreeing to something they never really "owned" is totally an internal matter and partly if not mostly due to internal instability and the crisis building. Along with of course PLA's pretty daring move to take more than half the dispute in one swooping response. What made the CCP pull back PLA with disengagement was India's agreement to China's initial theoretical conditions of no more activity and inflaming and the old "wait for future generations". Just another theory though.

This theory just shifts the understanding of the picture formed a little more to India's side from the very beginning. China can do nothing about India's threatening of CPEC and Kashmiri self determination it seems.
Not discrediting your points but your posts are too lengthy to read.

If you are insisting that China will make similar concessions like at North Pangong Tso to other regions, I think it's extremely unlikely. It depends on the specific region. Depsang, as we know

1. Is vital in cutting off Indian access to northernmost edges of its part of Kashmir (Siachen).
2. Is important that it lies just beyond the Xinjiang Lhasa highway.

Pangong Tso finger grab is less important in a long term context.
 

Kakyan

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No it doesn't. It says India has thus far maintained the right to patrol up to finger 8, but as per the agreement, will now retreat to the permanent base at finger 3, while China will retreat to finger 8. This of course enforces respect for the LAC which is between finger 3 and finger 8.

I also don't know where finger 2 came from but from China's perspective the LAC is at finger 4.
That was typo by me " I meant to say right to patrol upto Finger 8"

Also open any Chinese map like Baidu, you will see Indian army permanent base 'Thakung' in south Pangong lies on what China claims to be it's side of border
 

boytoy

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That was typo by me " I meant to say right to patrol upto Finger 8"

Also open any Chinese map like Baidu, you will see Indian army permanent base 'Thakung' in south Pangong lies on what China claims to be it's side of border
Sound's like you're familiar with the area. Why don't you link us a map of what you're talking about. I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.

It would literally take hours to try and find something like that on a map with just "Thakung" and "south Pangong"
 

ougoah

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He's referring to the Indian camps at Chushul. These are nothing new lol. It's like saying China has camps from Galwan valley, Depsang, Hot Springs all 10km or so inside of Indians claimed land. Not to mention camps from fingers 4 to 8 still pending disengagement on Pangong fingers and possibly other sites.

IA camps in Chushul and at the base of Black Top and Helmet hill is well known. PLA occupied the heights and even Indians had pictures and videos confirming they are withing throwing distance of PLA at the south of Pangong Lake. BTW this piece of land south of the lake is also disputed with both I believe recognising the hill tops are Chinese. Therefore PLA occupying those tops are correct while Indians can make campe at the base for as long as they like until disengagement. Nothing wrong with that. Technically PLA are also within Indian claimed lands but Kakyan wants to say India is in Chinese claimed lands. These sites are probably part of the disengagement plans as both move away from the disputed stretch.
 
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ougoah

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BTW no commercial satellites give updated images. It'll be a very long time before we get to see the process of disengagement get played out completely.
 
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