Ladakh Flash Point

Sardaukar20 said:

This not the first time that the Russian media fell for Indian fake news. Remember the story of the fake Pakistani F-16 shootdown in 2019? The Russian media picked up this news with enthusiasm. If I was not mistaken, it was discussed on Russia 24 with Russian military analysts. They were proud that their venerable Mig 21 Bison could shootdown an F-16. Coming up with so many reasons why that must be true. Then Pakistan revealed to the world the Mig 21 wreckage, with all its R73 missiles still attached to their pylons, and the drop tanks still attached. And so that story quickly lost traction in the Russian media.

Recently. The Russian media was also fell for the Indian Kool-Aid with their: T-90 > Type-15, Mig-29 > J-10, Su-30MKI > J-11, and so on. It does not surprise me that TASS is picking up yet another Indian BS story. After all, when TASS is looking for sources, only the Indian side is more than willing to fill in the details. While the Chinese side wanna keep things hush-hush. So, it only ran with the Indian narrative. This is where China could learn a thing or two from Pakistan on how to handle Indian fake news. Whenever India shouts out fake news. Shout out the truth with equal volume. Address the whole fake news crap ASAP. If that fails, at least use that truth to throw India's narrative into doubt. China playing hush-hush just plays perfectly into the Indian narrative that it 'won' at Galwan.

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The thing is tho there is a fundamental difference between the cases you have quoted, shooting down f16... T90>Type15 etc vs the Galwan incident... the Russian would be very happy with praising their military equipment so using Indian fake news as a report base, which allows them to do that whilst putting all the blame on the Indians should things turn out different... in the Galwan case it has nothing to do with Russia and they have nothing to gain from peddling Indian fake news... unless they have basically, like all the western media, switched off their brains and went with the flow... I mean at least the western media has a narrative to feed people... the Russians don’t at least for Galwan...

This region is probably better handled by strategic deterrence

need more nukes to let people know to not interfere during a Taiwan conflict.


Even the Russian border isn't without risks per se. Not a secret they've wanted Xinjiang.

Mt1701d said:

The thing is tho there is a fundamental difference between the cases you have quoted, shooting down f16... T90>Type15 etc vs the Galwan incident... the Russian would be very funny with praising their military equipment so using Indian fake news as a report base, which allows them to do that whilst putting all the blame on the Indians should things turn out different... in the Galwan case it has nothing to do with Russia and they have nothing to gain from peddling Indian fake news... unless they have basically, like all the western media, switched off their brains and went with the flow... I mean at least the western media has a narrative to feed people... the Russians don’t at least for Galwan...

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I get your point. Nevertheless, as I have mentioned. TASS was probably looking for a source to report on the casualty figures. Unlike the Western media, TASS would have no qualms about getting the story from the Chinese side. TASS have indeed written positive news about China before. But there is nothing coming from the Chinese side. This resulted in TASS only having one source to cite regarding the casualty count: India. With that, TASS just publishes their story according to the Indian narrative. Is it TASS's fault for publishing Indian fake news? Yes. Is it also China's fault for failing to provide TASS with its side of the story? Yes.

Sardaukar20 said:

I get your point. Nevertheless, as I have mentioned. TASS was probably looking for a source to report on the casualty figures. Unlike the Western media, TASS would have no qualms about getting the story from the Chinese side. But there is nothing from the Chinese side. This resulted in TASS only having one source to cite regarding the casualty count: India. With that, TASS just publishes their story according to the Indian narrative. Is it TASS's fault for publishing Indian fake news? Yes. Is it also China's fault for failing to provide TASS with its side of the story? Yes.

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That’s fair enough... however, I just think that if they were to use Indian numbers they could add the disclaimer of unconfirmed numbers that all, since they know pretty much for a fact that its Indian fake news consider Indian numbers have fluctuated from anywhere between 40 - ~200, like, that’s beyond any acceptable margin of error...

Well if India decides to act up again and not stick to the agreement, China can easily go back to finger 4. I believe is like 8km from finger 4 to 8.

"there is no motorable road access from India’s side to areas east of Finger 4 — while China has dominated up to Finger 4, having already built a road there and enjoying superior logistics."

So it was actually the case that PLA and Indian tanks were literally meters apart!

discspinner said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1359820880134635520

So it was actually the case that PLA and Indian tanks were literally meters apart!

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More like dozens of meters.

Xsizor said:

Guys, this is Ladakh thread. Not Taiwan invasion thread.

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Chinese and Indian forces clashed in the region in May and June 2020, resulting in at least 20 Indian and 45 Chinese servicemen dead. Following these incidents, New Delhi and Beijing increased the concentration of forces in the region to about 50,000 people each.

Question -

Why TASS alone. No other media gives a perfect 45.

Why no other media outlet (the big three - Reuters, AFP, AP). Or BBC, GT.

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They don't even need to pay TASS or associated decision makers to report a clear number like 45 losses for PLA. It is impossible for any media to have an accurate number of PLA losses even if there are more than 3 that the Chinese side themselves mentioned. Only if most well-known sources report on it with government recognition, does it hold more merit. Until then, TASS could have just spoken to an Indian rep on the phone working for Modi's gov and told them to go with this number. They don't necessarily owe Chinese any checking and couldn't care less. Such is Russia.

It is well within Modi's gov to report a higher loss on China's side. This has been their attempts using their own media for ages from 20 PLA losses to over 100. Not a single reputable source confirmed these things with any evidence. Contrary to Indian losses which India admitted to only 20+ with China not saying anything about Indian losses.

The important thing to note is that Modi and Indian gov CANNOT and will not say false information because the Chinese side will quickly give an official "no that isn't true" and show some evidence which they no doubt hold. So to reverse the humiliation, they harp on with the fake news and direct their operatives to spam the medium with random reports. Often using their international fake news brigade. TASS picking up on it without checking isn't totally impossible as reputable as it usually is. Then there is the possibility it is actually true and PLA lost 45 or more soldiers in one or all those clashes... but still somehow held the land for over a year and captured over 40 IA soldiers only to return them after treating them well. Not likely things if the PLA's been attacked so successfully by the Indians.

Sardaukar20 said:

This not the first time that the Russian media fell for Indian fake news. Remember the story of the fake Pakistani F-16 shootdown in 2019? The Russian media picked up this news with enthusiasm. If I was not mistaken, it was discussed on Russia 24 with Russian military analysts. They were proud that their venerable Mig 21 Bison could shootdown an F-16. Coming up with so many reasons why that must be true. Then Pakistan revealed to the world the Mig 21 wreckage, with all its R73 missiles still attached to their pylons, and the drop tanks still attached. And so that story quickly lost traction in the Russian media.

Recently. The Russian media also fell for the Indian Kool-Aid with their: T-90 > Type-15, Mig-29 > J-10, Su-30MKI > J-11, and so on. It does not surprise me that TASS is picking up yet another Indian BS story. After all, when TASS is looking for sources, only the Indian side is more than willing to fill in the details. While the Chinese side wanna keep things hush-hush. So, it only ran with the Indian narrative. This is where China could learn a lot from Pakistan on how to handle Indian fake news. Whenever India shouts out fake news. Shout out the truth with equal volume. Address the whole fake news crap ASAP. If that fails, at least use that truth to throw India's narrative into doubt. China playing hush-hush just plays perfectly into the Indian narrative that it had 'won' at Galwan.

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Yes not only were the Russians very quick to propagate the theory that Mig-21 shot down an F-16 but also that no Su-30s were hurt during the making of that news. When it comes to Russian propaganda, they can lie for you and they will lie against you.

Mig-21 shooting down an F-16 with all its missiles attached to their pylons. Yeah.

discspinner said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1359820880134635520

So it was actually the case that PLA and Indian tanks were literally meters apart!

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Those look like Type 88 tanks.



Didn't know that these were deployed there. Not the most modern tank in the PLA's inventory. Kinda surprising that the PLA went with these tanks to face Indian armour at the Ladakh border.