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jimmyjames30x30

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China has achieved all strategic goals it had conceived-
1. It has successfully baited India into an arms race it cant afford.
2. Made India run to America and lose all autonomy it had. Even Russia that for decades never took sides has now implicitly recognized India as a vassal state of US.
3. Strengthened ally Pakistans position on LOC . Infact majority of troops and machinery today in Ladakh were brought from LOC.
4. Redirected all Indian focus on Land borders that it no longer has the resources for modernisation of Navy. ( So much for the wet dream of blocking Malacca Strait)

Its sad that India is on course to become an overpopulated failed state just because it refuses to make peace with its neighbours. But hey India will be Supapowa in 2030 so who cares right?

High five, my kindred spirit!
 

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LOL
how these people even have job? you should call up standard charter



They remind me of those hilarious Afghan soldiers

@caudaceus

What are you doing to us? That "forecast" was made in Jan 2008. And picked up by an Indian in Jan 2019 reporting as gospel.

Did anyone noticed the prediction was for China to overtake US economy in PPP term in 2020. Lol. Laugh me head off. So this indian journalist regurgitate some forecast done over 10 years earlier because it put India in a good light. Without checking whether any of the predictions have been correct thus far. And despite the fact proves the forecast wrong already with China overtaken US in PPP terms well before 2020! Gee. Wake up India.
 

hashtagpls

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Not racially superior. But they do think their political system is better. Constantly bragging about how they are a democracy.
There are plenty of people in lunatic asylums who believe they are Napoleon; doesn't mean that they are.
From PWC Price Waterhouse Cooper. I'm ashamed to say they are chartered accountants. I've never been so ashamed of my profession for producing crap like that.

Many apologies to everyone.
Gotta pander to the Indians, and to Atlanticists who dream of Indians fighting and dying to maintain white anglo supremacy.
 

Sardaukar20

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India oh India! LOL... You just gotta give it to India. It was able to pull off the con of the century!

For those who accuse China of being a land of scammers and thieves for 5000 years. (Yeah Marsha Blackburn, I'm looking at you!) Well folks, you ain't seen nothing yet! You have the one and only: India!

Well Indian call-center scammers are infamous alright. But then there is a scam so much worse in magnitude. India had pulled the world, into its con of the century by making everyone think its gonna be the next big thing. India had the luck of having a population size similar to China, and some bright people (in the past) to put up a convincing act. India's big fake news network in Western media and institutions did a great job too. But its all a big con actually. Here is the list of the biggest cons India had managed to pull off:

1) India had conned Russia and China into believing that it would be a trustworthy partner in the alternative bloc that they are building. Russia transferred much technology to India. And endorsed India's ascendancy into a number of multilateral institutions like the UNSC, BRICS, SCO, etc. China for its part was conned into investing huge sums of money into India's economy via FDI and other ventures. China trusted India to be getting friendlier for decades. So much so that their border forces facing India was kept at minimal strength until 2017. And there was practically little to no anti-Indian fervor in China before Modi came.

Now its flipped on its head. India is part of team QUAD now, with Uncle Sam, Japan, and Australia. Russia's biggest enemies in the world and in the East. India is putting wartime level military strength on the Indo-China border. India supports Tibetan, HK, Xinjiang, and Taiwanese separatism directly and indirectly. So much for being a trustworthy partner. China and Russia had to learn the hard way, of the good old Indian backstab.

2) India conned the world that it's a peace-loving world's biggest democracy. The West and sophisticated societies in the East would always imagine India as the land of peace and benevolence. The country of Mahatma Gandhi, Namaste, Gurus, Yoga, and Ayurveda. Good, if only a few inconvenient truths did not exist. Things like: the caste system, anti-Chinese pogroms after the 1962 war, anti-Muslim pogroms from independence till today, brutal occupation of Kashmir, Hindutva, slavery, deliberate perpetuation of poverty, scam call centers, farmer riots, worker riots, gangster politicians, and many more.

3) India conned the world that it is the next big thing after China. When China was thundering ahead to become the world's second biggest economy. Many of the folks in the 'free world' were perplexed, terrified and angry. This is so wrong! How could a non-Caucasian, one-party Communist state be so successful as to compete with USA no.1? Enter India, the savior, the other country on earth with a population to match China's. But more importantly, its a democratic country; in fact the world's biggest democracy! Yes, this is their hope to counter the rise of China! Politicians, businessmen, journalists, and intellects in the West start to make bold predictions that India would be the next China. Not only that, because its a democracy, it would overtake China and save the 'free world'!

When India heard these wonderful praises, it's Jai Hind ego ballooned to grotesque proportions. India Superpower! India has arrived! As many people in India and the West like to shout aloud. Believing in its own over-inflated hype, India did little to nothing to improve on key economic drivers. Things like infrastructure, education, structural government reform, and social reform. India is already 'perfect'. Its upper and middle class could consider themselves in the same league as Western elites. What about the lower classes and the undesirables? Don't worry, we just don't need to count them in. Corporations from the West, Japan, and South Korea all lined up to get a piece of India's 'gigantic market'. For decades they invested and listened to Indian promises. For sure some have made some decent business. But there are also big failures like GM, Apple iPhones, and Wal-Mart. Nevertheless, successful or not, all of them must be wondering. Why is India still not giving them the same level of riches that China had already given them? Should they be more patient? I say to them: If you want to continue trusting Indian promises, then keep waiting.

India's economic story is not following the script as of 2020. It's perhaps the worse performing major economy in 2020. No BRI, no RCEP, rejection of most of Asia except for Japan and South Korea. What economic future is there for India? The West? Yeah right! And yet many people are still believing in India's promise? Sigh...

4) India sells to the world that its rise would spell the end of China. The most celebrated Indian 'China-killer' is: Make In India. India had the demographic advantage over China isn't it? So it must be 'God's will' that all that manufacturing will move from China to India. Apple certainly believed it. But then it had to endure the infamous worker riots. Is it also 'God's will' that manufacturing in India just hasn't really taken off as India repeatedly promised? If India had achieved at least half of its Make In India promise, we wouldn't be talking so much about Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Indonesia today.

Then the other big con-job: Jio 5G. Touted as India's 'Huawei Killer' to finally give the 'free world' an alternative to Huawei's 5G dominance. Forget Nokia and Ericsson 5G! Reliance's Jio 5G is the 'big one'! So-called using fully indigenous Indian technology but also collaborating with Samsung and Qualcomm. The promise was so great that Google invested $4.4 bil into Jio 5G. Huawei could have been concerned, if only it wasn't another of Mukesh Ambani's con job. That '5G' in the Jio 5G is not true 5G actually. Its actually just an uprated 4G network described in typical confusing Indian fashion, that it makes it sound legit. Kinda like AT&T's 5G. Good luck to Google and others who wanna bet on Jio 5G. Believing in yet another Indian promise. LOL!

India tells the world that it has a 'superior military' to China. Everything from Rafale jets to Jawans is being described as giving India an 'advantage' over China. Well, from the many posts on this thread. Many have already seen how this false picture is being dismantled day after day.

Jai Hind!
 
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Sardaukar20

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That might be the case, but what about BrahMos?
LOL... Not the Brahmos again? I don't give India any credit for BrahMos. Its basically a rebranded and slightly updated Soviet P-800 Oniks missile. What is so successful about taking a Soviet designed weapon, getting some Indian scientists to suggest putting some more updated stuff in it. And then import all the critical components from the Russian, Israeli, and European principal manufacturers. Like the Engines, Sensors, Avionics, Warheads, etc. Source simple components in India, like sheet metals. Put them all together in India, and then call it a successful weapon system of Indian origin.

Brahmos is one of India's collection of Wunderwaffe of 99.9% foreign design. Only their Indian names makes up the 0.01% as Indian 'design'. Like the SU-30MKI, Barak-8 SAM, Akash SAM, and Dassault Rafale. Somewhat useful weapons for their role, but not as 'Indian' as India wants you to believe. Brahmos is India's legendary hammer to every problem it encounters. Ships, bases, tanks, infantry, aircraft, whatever. As some Indians have you believe, it can even play the role of loitering munition, having the ability to land if was not expended. So don't believe the hype. This weapon may be powerful for its specific designed role, but its only as effective against the enemy as its users. If its users want to use it on a J-20 in the air, be my guest.

China is different. It at least attempts to reverse engineer foreign designs. Then improve them and come up with truly indigenous designs of their own later. They may be shameless copies, but they are still Chinese copies alright. Can be reproduced in China with little reliance on foreign suppliers. Can be redesigned and improved upon without having to wait for permission from foreign suppliers. China has many defensive solutions against the Brahmos. And China has far better counterparts to the Brahmos. One Chinese company created a Chinese clone of the Brahmos, the CX-1 missile. But that was never adopted by the PLAN. It should be obvious, that this is an outdated weapon by China's standards. If its outdated, it can be dealt with.
 

FishWings

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LOL... Not the Brahmos again? I don't give India any credit for BrahMos. Its basically a rebranded and slightly updated Soviet P-800 Oniks missile. What is so successful about taking a Soviet designed weapon, getting some Indian scientists to suggest putting some more updated stuff in it. And then import all the critical components from the Russian, Israeli, and European principal manufacturers. Like the Engines, Sensors, Avionics, Warheads, etc. Source simple components in India, like sheet metals. Put them all together in India, and then call it a successful weapon system of Indian origin.

Brahmos is one of India's collection of Wunderwaffe of 99.9% foreign design. Only their Indian names makes up the 0.01% as Indian 'design'. Like the SU-30MKI, Barak-8 SAM, Akash SAM, and Dassault Rafale. Somewhat useful weapons for their role, but not as 'Indian' as India wants you to believe. Brahmos is India's legendary hammer to every problem it encounters. Ships, bases, tanks, infantry, aircraft, whatever. As some Indians have you believe, it can even play the role of loitering munition, having the ability to land if was not expended. So don't believe the hype. This weapon may be powerful for its specific designed role, but its only as effective against the enemy as its users. If its users want to use it on a J-20 in the air, be my guest.

China is different. It at least attempts to reverse engineer foreign designs. Then improve them and come up with truly indigenous designs of their own later. They may be shameless copies, but they are still Chinese copies alright. Can be reproduced in China with little reliance on foreign suppliers. Can be redesigned and improved upon without having to wait for permission from foreign suppliers. China has many defensive solutions against the Brahmos. And China has far better counterparts to the Brahmos. One Chinese company created a Chinese clone of the Brahmos, the CX-1 missile. But that was never adopted by the PLAN. It should be obvious, that this is an outdated weapon by China's standards. If its outdated, it can be dealt with.

Lmao I was jokingly referring to a previously mentioned joke about how Indian nationalists use BrahMoscow as a panacea to any advantage China has over them. Like Indian soldiers will be parading in Beijing with the help of BrahMos alone xD
 

Kakyan

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Strengthened ally Pakistans position on LOC . Infact majority of troops and machinery today in Ladakh were brought from LOCbas
Absolutely made up claim.
Not a single unit or weapon has been transferred from LOC to LAC.

The two additional divisions sent to Ladakh are a mountian division that was baed in central Uttar Pradesh and the mountain strike corps which was anyways meant for exclusive use on LAC only.
 

ansy1968

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India oh India! LOL... You just gotta give it to India. It was able to pull off the con of the century!

For those who accuse China of being a land of scammers and thieves for 5000 years. (Yeah Marsha Blackburn, I'm looking at you!) Well folks, you ain't seen nothing yet! You have the one and only: India!

Well Indian call-center scammers are infamous alright. But then there is a scam so much worse in magnitude. India had pulled the world, into its con of the century by making everyone think its gonna be the next big thing. India had the luck of having a population size similar to China, and some bright people (in the past) to put up a convincing act. India's big fake news network in Western media and institutions did a great job too. But its all a big con actually. Here is the list of the biggest cons India had managed to pull off:

1) India had conned Russia and China into believing that it would be a trustworthy partner in the alternative bloc that they are building. Russia transferred much technology to India. And endorsed India's ascendancy into a number of multilateral institutions like the UNSC, BRICS, SCO, etc. China for its part was conned into investing huge sums of money into India's economy via FDI and other ventures. China trusted India to be getting friendlier for decades. So much so that their border forces facing India was kept at minimal strength until 2017. And there was practically little to no anti-Indian fervor in China before Modi came.

Now its flipped on its head. India is part of team QUAD now, with Uncle Sam, Japan, and Australia. Russia's biggest enemies in the world and in the East. India is putting wartime level military strength on the Indo-China border. India supports Tibetan, HK, Xinjiang, and Taiwanese separatism directly and indirectly. So much for being a trustworthy partner. China and Russia had to learn the hard way, of the good old Indian backstab.

2) India conned the world that it's a peace-loving world's biggest democracy. The West and sophisticated societies in the East would always imagine India as the land of peace and benevolence. The country of Mahatma Gandhi, Namaste, Gurus, Yoga, and Ayurveda. Good, if only a few inconvenient truths did not exist. Things like: the caste system, anti-Chinese pogroms after the 1962 war, anti-Muslim pogroms from independence till today, brutal occupation of Kashmir, Hindutva, slavery, deliberate perpetuation of poverty, scam call centers, farmer riots, worker riots, gangster politicians, and many more.

3) India conned the world that it is the next big thing after China. When China was thundering ahead to become the world's second biggest economy. Many of the folks in the 'free world' were perplexed, terrified and angry. This is so wrong! How could a non-Caucasian, one-party Communist state be so successful as to compete with USA no.1? Enter India, the savior, the other country on earth with a population to match China's. But more importantly, its a democratic country; in fact the world's biggest democracy! Yes, this is their hope to counter the rise of China! Politicians, businessmen, journalists, and intellects in the West start to make bold predictions that India would be the next China. Not only that, because its a democracy, it would overtake China and save the 'free world'!

When India heard these wonderful praises, it's Jai Hind ego ballooned to grotesque proportions. India Superpower! India has arrived! As many people in India and the West like to shout aloud. Believing in its own over-inflated hype, India did little to nothing to improve on key economic drivers. Things like infrastructure, education, structural government reform, and social reform. India is already 'perfect'. Its upper and middle class could consider themselves in the same league as Western elites. What about the lower classes and the undesirables? Don't worry, we just don't need to count them in. Corporations from the West, Japan, and South Korea all lined up to get a piece of India's 'gigantic market'. For decades they invested and listened to Indian promises. For sure some have made some decent business. But there are also big failures like GM, Apple iPhones, and Wal-Mart. Nevertheless, successful or not, all of them must be wondering. Why is India still not giving them the same level of riches that China had already given them? Should they be more patient? I say to them: If you want to continue trusting Indian promises, then keep waiting.

India's economic story is not following the script as of 2020. It's perhaps the worse performing major economy in 2020. No BRI, no RCEP, rejection of most of Asia except for Japan and South Korea. What economic future is there for India? The West? Yeah right! And yet many people are still believing in India's promise? Sigh...

4) India sells to the world that its rise would spell the end of China. The most celebrated Indian 'China-killer' is: Make In India. India had the demographic advantage over China isn't it? So it must be 'God's will' that all that manufacturing will move from China to India. Apple certainly believed it. But then it had to endure the infamous worker riots. Is it also 'God's will' that manufacturing in India just hasn't really taken off as India repeatedly promised? If India had achieved at least half of its Make In India promise, we wouldn't be talking so much about Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Indonesia today.

Then the other big con-job: Jio 5G. Touted as India's 'Huawei Killer' to finally give the 'free world' an alternative to Huawei's 5G dominance. Forget Nokia and Ericsson 5G! Reliance's Jio 5G is the 'big one'! So-called using fully indigenous Indian technology but also collaborating with Samsung and Qualcomm. The promise was so great that Google invested $4.4 bil into Jio 5G. Huawei could have been concerned, if only it wasn't another of Mukesh Ambani's con job. That '5G' in the Jio 5G is not true 5G actually. Its actually just an uprated 4G network described in typical confusing Indian fashion, that it makes it sound legit. Kinda like AT&T's 5G. Good luck to Google and others who wanna bet on Jio 5G. Believing in yet another Indian promise. LOL!

India tells the world that it has a 'superior military' to China. Everything from Rafale jets to Jawans is being described as giving India an 'advantage' over China. Well, from the many posts on this thread. Many have already seen how this false picture is being dismantled day after day.

Jai Hind!
Hi Sardaukar,

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Taiwan was deceived both by India and the US. They follow the decoupling strategy now that the table had turn, they will be hang out to dry. They sell their factory in the mainland, the CCP will make it difficult for them to come back by not offering any financial incentive.
 
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