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j17wang

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Lots of consulting firms still maintain these delusional projections:
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Apparently slower rates of growth don't apply to indians, it gets faster for them.

Actually I think it looks right. India's population will be much bigger than china's by around 2050, even with this math, India's per capita PPP is still only about half of China's. Conversely, China's per capita GDP would be approximately half of the US in the same time frame. China's GDP per capita of 5x that of India's was never sustainable in the long term, although that is more a factor of Indian under-performance than chinese-over performance. I think what's more interesting is that whereas the combined US+India GDP is significantly greater than China today, the gap becomes smaller by 2050.

Using PWC projections, (without opining on their validity), GDP at market rates of China+Pakistan was 69% of India+US in 2020. By 2050, it narrows to 85% of US+India. The best way to think about it is a US alliance with India cannot offset its own power decline, since while india's economy will certainly grow (and will become faster than China eventually), the fact is china's current economic base is so large even if India was to boom for decades it wouldn't be able to catch up.

The other thing is that China's likely allies will also significantly outgrow the US and its 5-eye partners year, and have likely comparable rates to "high growth" india. While this is more to their lower base (i.e. for Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Myanmar, Turkey), long term power will still shift towards SCO under all scenarios.
 

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I think Indians nowadays think they're racially superior to Chinese always saying we got chinki eyes and stuff. They treat their Han looking people in the NE like trash even before the recent conflicts.

I've always had Indian look down on my looks here in the US.

Historically the subcontinent empires and Chinese empires were peaceful considering thousands of years of coexistance without butting heads.



They managed to gaslight themselves with the help of the West into thinking they're better and that we're trying to fuckem over.

That's pretty funny considering Indians are the butt of every joke in America and Canada. The racist shit I've heard said about Indian people time and time again by White people behind their backs is actually bad enough I don't even find it funny. No Chinese can compare to the level of depravity I have seen White girls and guys go in making fun of Indians. Everything from body odor to skin tone to the accent in the deepest most basest form of insult, and yet Indians faun over these people, hoping to be considered as fellow 'Caucasians'.

Also funny considering the level of racism Indians show to black people in an attempt to associate with their 'fellow whites'. It's breathtaking. Even mainstream liberal Hollywood America only usually allow Indians and other South Asians to play roles of the cuckold, short, unattractive loser that gets made fun of by Whites (Aziz Ansari, Kumail Nanjiani, et al.)
 

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Love it when people blow smoke up indian ass. It's as if India is competing in NBA when they high school BBall tier
Lol... Hahaha.

When China, Vietnam, or any other decent developing nations gets told that they could grow to become great economies one day. They would be like: "Cool, thanks. Alright let's put our heads down for now and get to work. We have a great opportunity ahead of us to become great".

When India gets told it could grow to become a great economy one day. The Indian govt and the Jai Hind crowds would celebrate on streets and feel so full of themselves. Jai Hinds would scream: "India is Superpower! You! Respect India! We do what we want! If you wanna sign any deals with us, let us remind you we are superpower! Know your place!". The result is simple, India is always a work in progress. Never reaching its Superpower goal.
 

sinophilia

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Actually I think it looks right. India's population will be much bigger than china's by around 2050, even with this math, India's per capita PPP is still only about half of China's. Conversely, China's per capita GDP would be approximately half of the US in the same time frame. China's GDP per capita of 5x that of India's was never sustainable in the long term, although that is more a factor of Indian under-performance than chinese-over performance. I think what's more interesting is that whereas the combined US+India GDP is significantly greater than China today, the gap becomes smaller by 2050.

Using PWC projections, (without opining on their validity), GDP at market rates of China+Pakistan was 69% of India+US in 2020. By 2050, it narrows to 85% of US+India. The best way to think about it is a US alliance with India cannot offset its own power decline, since while india's economy will certainly grow (and will become faster than China eventually), the fact is china's current economic base is so large even if India was to boom for decades it wouldn't be able to catch up.

The other thing is that China's likely allies will also significantly outgrow the US and its 5-eye partners year, and have likely comparable rates to "high growth" india. While this is more to their lower base (i.e. for Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Myanmar, Turkey), long term power will still shift towards SCO under all scenarios.

Indian population just went below replacement. So much for that demographic dividend. (India overall is now at TFR = 2.1 children per woman)

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Why China Is Winning Against India​

The military standoff in the Himalayas is often seen as a stalemate between two nuclear powers. But New Delhi cannot afford the status quo.
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An Indian writer with sensibility. He's gonna get mobbed by bhakt media.
China has achieved all strategic goals it had conceived-
1. It has successfully baited India into an arms race it cant afford.
2. Made India run to America and lose all autonomy it had. Even Russia that for decades never took sides has now implicitly recognized India as a vassal state of US.
3. Strengthened ally Pakistans position on LOC . Infact majority of troops and machinery today in Ladakh were brought from LOC.
4. Redirected all Indian focus on Land borders that it no longer has the resources for modernisation of Navy. ( So much for the wet dream of blocking Malacca Strait)

Its sad that India is on course to become an overpopulated failed state just because it refuses to make peace with its neighbours. But hey India will be Supapowa in 2030 so who cares right?
 

Tsin Phan

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Today Indian are claiming that they are super power and will turn down China and Pakistan soon. I respect Indian and other nations. India must respect China, Pakistan and other nations like China is doing respect all other nations today.
All Indians must read the history of China and Mongol kings and must learn some lessons....What following Mongol kings did with Indian and other surrounding nations in the past.
 

Petrolicious88

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I think Indians nowadays think they're racially superior to Chinese always saying we got chinki eyes and stuff. They treat their Han looking people in the NE like trash even before the recent conflicts.

I've always had Indian look down on my looks here in the US.

Historically the subcontinent empires and Chinese empires were peaceful considering thousands of years of coexistance without butting heads.



They managed to gaslight themselves with the help of the West into thinking they're better and that we're trying to fuckem over.
Not racially superior. But they do think their political system is better. Constantly bragging about how they are a democracy.
 
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