Indians I understand. But why do the Brits want Pakistan to collapse? Pakistan was also born from the British Raj. The British society in general hold Pakistanis and Indians in similar status. Is it because Pakistan got too close to China?
Ladakh Flash Point
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Mountbatten and Nehru colluded to make Pakistan as unviable a state as possible. Jinnah called the deal that was forced on us to be the “grossest travesty, a ridiculous proposal, offering a shadow and a husk – a maimed, mutilated, and moth-eaten Pakistan.” And that was before the Kashmir fiasco, which was the worst stab in the back. Even Ghandi was disgusted by it and spoke against it, which is why Ghandi was assassinated, ironically, by the same RSS that is currently ruling India.
As for "why" the British colluded with Nehru, it's because the thesis and goal of the Pakistan project, as stated by Iqbal & Jinnah's Muslim League, was to rally, unite and wake up the Muslim World from its dark age. That's literally what the ML campaigned on during the elections. That goal is definitely not in Western interests, because they know what our civilization is capable of if/when we truly wake up.
Anyways... back to the topic please.
Before going into the topic, What exactly do you mean by the statement? Is it that the Land allocated for the nation of Pakistan is resource starved and low potential?
What extra lands should have Pakistan got to make it "liveable"?
> I'm prejudiced in my belief that it is not the land that makes the people but the people that makes the land.
Pakistan, to me, is in the same basket as India - squandering its potential to other goals and ideals and not getting or working for the bigger picture (Comprehensive national development and upliftment of the people).
Do note that China has seen its fair share of downs too.
There's practically no one in Pakistan who disagrees with the idea that we should've handled our challenges better. It's been a steep learning curve, but we've learnt that the hard way. And that's why we're not "in the same bucket as India." Pakistani media today is like 99% self-criticism and introspection. While in India, it's the exact opposite. Even for their farmer's protests they're somehow blaming others.
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Jesus, 20 passengers on one flight tested positive for COVID-19 and 40 had antibodies??? Okay, so that means 10% of people on a plane have covid and 20% had covid? Who honestly believes India hasn't had at least 100 million cases by now? I remember the anti-body survey in Delhi alone was 30% had covid, and delhi is a city of 30 million.
And why didn't Modi ban these phones brands? So the entire national security thingy are just a load of craps? Or was the Indian so incompetent that without Chinese "crappy and unsecured" phones, the entire nation's communication nonsense will collapse? Sorry... I shouldn't be laughing...
High in the Himalayas, Indian and Chinese forces have brought troop reinforcements, artillery and armour up to the border, involving more than 100,000 soldiers in the most dangerous confrontation for decades between the Asian superpowers.
With thousands of Chinese soldiers camped on Indian soil and negotiations to defuse the conflict deadlocked, the world’s two biggest militaries are squaring off against one another at altitudes above 5000m as temperatures plunge to minus 40C.
The dispute over the border has escalated this year after 20 Indian troops and an unknown number of Chinese were killed in a bloodbath on the border. The stand-off has raised fears that a miscalculation by either side could tip the world’s two most populous nations — nuclear-armed powers with a joint population of more than 2.7 billion people — into open conflict.
By some estimates, India has conceded more than 250sq km of strategic territory since Chinese troops crossed the disputed mountainous border into Ladakh at several points in May, seizing strategic positions in the Galwan Valley and around Pangong Lake.
At stake is control of the ancient Silk Road passage through the Karakoram Pass, which could open better road access from the Chinese province of Xinjiang into Pakistan, India’s bitter rival. Chinese investments in Pakistan and the trade corridor into Central Asia, worth billions of dollars, are pivotal to President Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road initiative. Hemmed in along its northern borders by the Chinese alliance with Pakistan, India’s grip on Ladakh and the disputed region of Kashmir could be weakened by the Chinese incursion.
“It was an unprecedented step for China to take. Despite its huge economic stake in the Indian economy, they went for this belligerent expansion,” said Phunchok Stobdan, a former Indian diplomat and expert in Indian-Chinese relations. “This is certainly linked to global politics. India may have been a proxy target to hit back at the US, which has taken a more aggressive posture towards China under Trump.”
Caught out by the Chinese offensive, India’s initial response was simply to deny it. Even after 20 Indian troops were killed in an ambush in June, beaten to death with clubs wrapped in barbed wire, Narendra Modi, the Prime Minister, insisted there had been “no incursion” at the border.
Indian soldiers pay their respects after a fatal clash in September. Picture: AFP
Re-elected by a landslide on a national security platform last year, Mr Modi balked at confronting India’s giant northern neighbour, to the fury of the opposition and military, who called for a targeted military counterstrike before China could secure its foothold on Indian soil. Instead, China has fortified its positions inside India with concrete bunkers and expanded bases on its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) that divides the region.
India did surprise the Chinese with a counteroffensive in late August, moving thousands of troops on to high ground above the southern bank of Pangong Lake under cover of night, giving them a tactical advantage overlooking the Chinese positions.
As tensions rose further, shots were exchanged in September, the first in four decades, violating a critical no-live-fire accord, imposed since the 1962 Sino-Indian War to avert military escalation along the border.
Under Mr Modi, India has ramped up construction along the border, building roads, tunnels and landing strips that allow Delhi to rapidly deploy troops.
The Chinese foreign ministry has said that the Indian construction drive was the “root cause of tensions”. Yet Beijing has been on a building spree of its own along the border for years, and reacted furiously when India responded. The incursion in Ladakh also fits the pattern of mounting Chinese aggression across Asia, using the cover of the coronavirus crisis to assert its claims of sovereignty throughout the region.
India responded by signing a defence pact with the US and invited Australia, also locked in a diplomatic stand-off with Beijing, to join its naval exercise with the US and Japan in the Bay of Bengal last month.
Defusing the crisis in Ladakh will not be easy. Mutual distrust is entrenched. After another round of negotiations last month failed to agree a mutual withdrawal from the highest strategic positions occupied by the two armies, both are resigned to a logistical race to provide supplies and heating for the troops. What happens next looks likely to depend heavily on China’s next move.
“The Chinese have risked so much in terms of their bilateral relationship with India that it will be difficult to back down,” Lieutenant-General D S Hooda, the former chief of India’s Northern Command, said. “I don’t think India is looking at a military response, at least for now. So we are reaching an extended stand-off that puts bilateral relations between them at stake.”
With thousands of Chinese soldiers camped on Indian soil and negotiations to defuse the conflict deadlocked, the world’s two biggest militaries are squaring off against one another at altitudes above 5000m as temperatures plunge to minus 40C.
The dispute over the border has escalated this year after 20 Indian troops and an unknown number of Chinese were killed in a bloodbath on the border. The stand-off has raised fears that a miscalculation by either side could tip the world’s two most populous nations — nuclear-armed powers with a joint population of more than 2.7 billion people — into open conflict.
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By some estimates, India has conceded more than 250sq km of strategic territory since Chinese troops crossed the disputed mountainous border into Ladakh at several points in May, seizing strategic positions in the Galwan Valley and around Pangong Lake.
At stake is control of the ancient Silk Road passage through the Karakoram Pass, which could open better road access from the Chinese province of Xinjiang into Pakistan, India’s bitter rival. Chinese investments in Pakistan and the trade corridor into Central Asia, worth billions of dollars, are pivotal to President Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road initiative. Hemmed in along its northern borders by the Chinese alliance with Pakistan, India’s grip on Ladakh and the disputed region of Kashmir could be weakened by the Chinese incursion.
“It was an unprecedented step for China to take. Despite its huge economic stake in the Indian economy, they went for this belligerent expansion,” said Phunchok Stobdan, a former Indian diplomat and expert in Indian-Chinese relations. “This is certainly linked to global politics. India may have been a proxy target to hit back at the US, which has taken a more aggressive posture towards China under Trump.”
Caught out by the Chinese offensive, India’s initial response was simply to deny it. Even after 20 Indian troops were killed in an ambush in June, beaten to death with clubs wrapped in barbed wire, Narendra Modi, the Prime Minister, insisted there had been “no incursion” at the border.
Indian soldiers pay their respects after a fatal clash in September. Picture: AFP
Re-elected by a landslide on a national security platform last year, Mr Modi balked at confronting India’s giant northern neighbour, to the fury of the opposition and military, who called for a targeted military counterstrike before China could secure its foothold on Indian soil. Instead, China has fortified its positions inside India with concrete bunkers and expanded bases on its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) that divides the region.
India did surprise the Chinese with a counteroffensive in late August, moving thousands of troops on to high ground above the southern bank of Pangong Lake under cover of night, giving them a tactical advantage overlooking the Chinese positions.
As tensions rose further, shots were exchanged in September, the first in four decades, violating a critical no-live-fire accord, imposed since the 1962 Sino-Indian War to avert military escalation along the border.
Under Mr Modi, India has ramped up construction along the border, building roads, tunnels and landing strips that allow Delhi to rapidly deploy troops.
The Chinese foreign ministry has said that the Indian construction drive was the “root cause of tensions”. Yet Beijing has been on a building spree of its own along the border for years, and reacted furiously when India responded. The incursion in Ladakh also fits the pattern of mounting Chinese aggression across Asia, using the cover of the coronavirus crisis to assert its claims of sovereignty throughout the region.
India responded by signing a defence pact with the US and invited Australia, also locked in a diplomatic stand-off with Beijing, to join its naval exercise with the US and Japan in the Bay of Bengal last month.
Defusing the crisis in Ladakh will not be easy. Mutual distrust is entrenched. After another round of negotiations last month failed to agree a mutual withdrawal from the highest strategic positions occupied by the two armies, both are resigned to a logistical race to provide supplies and heating for the troops. What happens next looks likely to depend heavily on China’s next move.
“The Chinese have risked so much in terms of their bilateral relationship with India that it will be difficult to back down,” Lieutenant-General D S Hooda, the former chief of India’s Northern Command, said. “I don’t think India is looking at a military response, at least for now. So we are reaching an extended stand-off that puts bilateral relations between them at stake.”
There's probably 1 Chinese in a 100 million that needs to go to India for whatever reason. Because numbers are down the Indians want to write a puff piece about how they're pre-emptively banning Chinese from entering India? Lol because so many Chinese want to holiday in that friendly paradise.
China has restricted people from everywhere entering just like most nations at the moment. Exemptions exists of course and important business continues.
On Russia, well this Indian group still wants to continue with the pathetically embarrassing fake news.
Beyond laughable and so easily debunked and proven fake.
lol
LOL
Apparently Russia is on the verge of decoupling and nuking China according to Jai Hinds. Oh and Russia didn't sell China a single unit of S-400 ... until Russia gov confirmed all units deliveries to China completed early 2020.
China has restricted people from everywhere entering just like most nations at the moment. Exemptions exists of course and important business continues.
On Russia, well this Indian group still wants to continue with the pathetically embarrassing fake news.
Beyond laughable and so easily debunked and proven fake.
lol
LOL
Apparently Russia is on the verge of decoupling and nuking China according to Jai Hinds. Oh and Russia didn't sell China a single unit of S-400 ... until Russia gov confirmed all units deliveries to China completed early 2020.
All international institutions, UNO,UK, and ITLC ( international Territories Land Commission) have proved that,
Arunachal Pardesh, Ladakh, Siachin,Gawan valley,Pangong Lake, and many other areas belong Legally to China. India occupied these areas illegally , during 1947- 1950 ,when China was suffering from internal poor conditions.
Now China / PLA is struggling to take its motherland, territories ,back from India. In Indian culture have a quotation in Hindi "" Raam raam gapna parrayya maal apna"". Which was translated that with name of their Hindi goddess occupy terrotories/regions of other countries illegally"""
Arunachal Pardesh, Ladakh, Siachin,Gawan valley,Pangong Lake, and many other areas belong Legally to China. India occupied these areas illegally , during 1947- 1950 ,when China was suffering from internal poor conditions.
Now China / PLA is struggling to take its motherland, territories ,back from India. In Indian culture have a quotation in Hindi "" Raam raam gapna parrayya maal apna"". Which was translated that with name of their Hindi goddess occupy terrotories/regions of other countries illegally"""
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