Ladakh Flash Point

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Skywatcher

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6. Regarding Modi - most still respect Modi for having the guts to say the Chinese didn't cross into Indian territory. Many seem to think that Modi was unable to control the military and think the military 'set a trap' for Modi.
If even halfway true, whoever did that should be arrested and charged with treason for treason and insubordination.
 

siegecrossbow

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Guys, no need to get too excited about the Indian deployment of T72s. This is a classic example of India’s flash over substance decision making that got them into this stupid situation in the first place.

I think the Indian government felt embarrassed when the original Indian footage leaked showing their soldiers impotently hitting a Chinese Mengshi light armour vehicle with their own helmets and sticks like a bunch of backwards savages.

The Indian need to always ‘one up’ China Perry much made the decision to deploy tanks for them. But it’s a mindlessly stupid thing to do.

Those tanks have nowhere to advanced to, and one narrow poorly suited mountain pass to get to and from the area. That the PLA now overlooks. Fish in a barrel is a pretty accurate description.

From what I've heard the T-72 is not designed with the type of terrain in mind and could only go 20 kilometers per hour at Ladakh's altitude.
 

AndrewS

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Totally agree. India media these days are sensationalizing the situation. It’s fanning the fame and putting enormous pressure on Modi.
This is not helped by all the extreme nationalism these days in India with an obsessed focus on getting revenge.

Yes, but what China doesn't want is another 1962 where the average Indian today is brainwashed into thinking China started the conflict, and that India wasn't at fault.

Even President Nixon needled Gandhi about India starting the 1962 war, which India proceeded to lose. This is part of the public record from Kissinger.
 

jfy1155

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Yes, but what China doesn't want is another 1962 where the average Indian today is brainwashed into thinking China started the conflict, and that India wasn't at fault.

Even President Nixon needled Gandhi about India starting the 1962 war, which India proceeded to lose. This is part of the public record from Kissinger.
Speaking of President Nixon and Kissingner. Nixon laughed at India.

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siegecrossbow

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Yes, but what China doesn't want is another 1962 where the average Indian today is brainwashed into thinking China started the conflict, and that India wasn't at fault.

Even President Nixon needled Gandhi about India starting the 1962 war, which India proceeded to lose. This is part of the public record from Kissinger.

You meant Nehru?
 

plawolf

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From what I've heard the T-72 is not designed with the type of terrain in mind and could only go 20 kilometers per hour at Ladakh's altitude.

No it’s not, but it’s the least worst option they have.

One really need to question if those dinky bridges the Indians built in the area would even support the weight of a T72. Maybe they plan to just ford them across instead.

I must say, this is a particularly stupid thing to do even for India. No one else would think that the ‘solution’ to the possibility of your forces getting cut off and trapped in a natural caldron and either starved out or obliterated by enemy massed artillery is to pump more troops into said caldron.

Can you imagine the Indian army trying to withdraw with T72s? One would actually be hard pressed to find better mobile road blocks for the rest of their force, if one breaks down (the rocks strewn all over the place in the Indian video looks ideal at shedding tank tracks) or gets taken out, that will bottle up any Indian advance or retreat neat as you please. Infantry would be hard pressed to squeeze last single file past a broken down T72. A knocked out one burning merrily will choke off your only road in or out for hours.

I hope the Indian tank unit commander at least has the foresight and experience to equip all his tanks with dozer blades so they can ram any knocked out compatriots off the road to clear the path at least, but I would not be surprised if the entire Indian army doesn’t have enough dozer blades between them for those hundred tanks.
 

AssassinsMace

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The contradictions they report just make them look weaker. They want to look like the victim so they have play up their losses. Most of their losses came from drowning in a cold river because they were running away. Make themselves the victor and they ain't no victim. I thought their Mountain Divisions were good. Couldn't they handle a bunch of out of breath Chinese amateurs? Now India has informed the Chinese their soldiers will be armed. Why bother informing? They can lie and the West will believe anything they say. It's because it's for home audience consumption. They know they'll get embarrassed in losing in a gunfight, if they think they can do what they did but with guns now. Or maybe they'll expect China to stick with the old policy too. So that's for domestic consumption.
 

siegecrossbow

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The contradictions they report just make them look weaker. They want to look like the victim so they have play up their losses. Most of their losses came from drowning in a cold river because they were running away. Make themselves the victor and they ain't no victim. I thought their Mountain Divisions were good. Couldn't they handle a bunch of out of breath Chinese amateurs? Now India has informed the Chinese their soldiers will be armed. Why bother informing? They can lie and the West will believe anything they say. It's because it's for home audience consumption. They know they'll get embarrassed in losing in a gunfight, if they think they can do what they did but with guns now. Or maybe they'll expect China to stick with the old policy too. So that's for domestic consumption.

I think the Congress party wants to play the victim whereas the BJP, which wishes for deescalate on, wants to play this off as a tremendous win. Once again, party politics comes first.
 

daifo

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India is in a dire situation with covid19 (high infection, high unemployment, gov lacking ability to handle the situation). Trump/Us is also likely to suspend h1b program while us unemployment is high which will further cause issue with their IT back process business. That along with chinese factories are likely under thread of being targeted to be moved back to the usa. They need to stroke nationalism to divert the attention of the masses.
 
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