Ladakh Flash Point
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1) The reason armor is being deployed to the sector is not for the border skirmishes, it's the strike force in case of a full scale war, after the crossings are secured. But don't be too concerned about war breaking out, that's not what's happening here, IMO:
2) The main reason for these PLA deployments, is that China is forcing India to incur the cost of deploying heavy material in an area where China has much better infrastructure. It will cost India probably x10 the money and logistical drain, just to sustain its forces. So every day that goes by now, India's net loses mount. This is why China started building up its infrastructure here ten years ago, for this exact move. As the great military strategist Denzel Washington once said: This sh** is chess, not checkers.
3) India has field tested US guided artillery (excaliber) in 2019, but given how slow their procurement process is, it will most likely take years (if at all) until it's inducted. China has been developing guided artillery rounds for over a decade, I'm not sure if they are operational, but these would be critical in this terrain
4) All of this is a sideshow though, because the main calculations will be for the IAF and PLAAF
2) The main reason for these PLA deployments, is that China is forcing India to incur the cost of deploying heavy material in an area where China has much better infrastructure. It will cost India probably x10 the money and logistical drain, just to sustain its forces. So every day that goes by now, India's net loses mount. This is why China started building up its infrastructure here ten years ago, for this exact move. As the great military strategist Denzel Washington once said: This sh** is chess, not checkers.
3) India has field tested US guided artillery (excaliber) in 2019, but given how slow their procurement process is, it will most likely take years (if at all) until it's inducted. China has been developing guided artillery rounds for over a decade, I'm not sure if they are operational, but these would be critical in this terrain
4) All of this is a sideshow though, because the main calculations will be for the IAF and PLAAF
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Do you know if the PLA CH-5 drones are deployed in the near air base? I am pretty sure China would use them first before their sending jet fighters
nope, I have no idea
I remember some time ago there was mention of a few drones, gj 2s I think, being spotted by satellite in Tibet airfields. Don’t have source on hand.
Anyway, I would think that surface to air missile batteries and PLAAF would be going after the IAF, while the drones will be deployed for ground strikes, with artillery being first targets I would think, and the PLA artillery hitting the Indian ground forces.
If they can support soaring dragon in this area, they sure can support something like CH-5. However I think the PLA only uses Wingloong as attack drones.
vesicles
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Based on the reactions of the Indian public, media and government, I think it’s pretty clear that everyone in India now knows in their hearts that they’ve lost the fight badly last weeks. Although they keep claiming that the PLA suffered bigger losses, their emotions and their words have betrayed them.
Modi says that their soldiers will not die in vane. That means, at this point of time, he believes that they will need future efforts to get even with the PLA, which means they are now losing.
Indian people on the streets yell “avenging their boysOnly the losing side wants revenges. Winners have got what they want. What’s there to avenge?
They say that the Chinese need to pay with blood. That means they believe the Chinese owe them blood, meaning that the Chinese spilled less blood than the Indians.
and they have been making excuses ever since the first day, be it the deceitful ambush, the savage Chinese wired sticks, or the overwhelming PLA troops, etc etc etc. Winners never make any excuses. When you win, you win. Winners either tout their victory, or be humble about it. I have never seen the winning side makes any excuses.
Modi says that their soldiers will not die in vane. That means, at this point of time, he believes that they will need future efforts to get even with the PLA, which means they are now losing.
Indian people on the streets yell “avenging their boysOnly the losing side wants revenges. Winners have got what they want. What’s there to avenge?
They say that the Chinese need to pay with blood. That means they believe the Chinese owe them blood, meaning that the Chinese spilled less blood than the Indians.
and they have been making excuses ever since the first day, be it the deceitful ambush, the savage Chinese wired sticks, or the overwhelming PLA troops, etc etc etc. Winners never make any excuses. When you win, you win. Winners either tout their victory, or be humble about it. I have never seen the winning side makes any excuses.
I am pretty sure MLR are guided (WS series are even exported). As for conventional artillery I am actually not too sure @Deino.
plawolf
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Guys, no need to get too excited about the Indian deployment of T72s. This is a classic example of India’s flash over substance decision making that got them into this stupid situation in the first place.
I think the Indian government felt embarrassed when the original Indian footage leaked showing their soldiers impotently hitting a Chinese Mengshi light armour vehicle with their own helmets and sticks like a bunch of backwards savages.
The Indian need to always ‘one up’ China Perry much made the decision to deploy tanks for them. But it’s a mindlessly stupid thing to do.
Those tanks have nowhere to advanced to, and one narrow poorly suited mountain pass to get to and from the area. That the PLA now overlooks. Fish in a barrel is a pretty accurate description.
I think the Indian government felt embarrassed when the original Indian footage leaked showing their soldiers impotently hitting a Chinese Mengshi light armour vehicle with their own helmets and sticks like a bunch of backwards savages.
The Indian need to always ‘one up’ China Perry much made the decision to deploy tanks for them. But it’s a mindlessly stupid thing to do.
Those tanks have nowhere to advanced to, and one narrow poorly suited mountain pass to get to and from the area. That the PLA now overlooks. Fish in a barrel is a pretty accurate description.
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