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EblisTx

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India does not have MAD capabilities against China, not even close in fact, but China can end the Indian civilisation if it chose to.

That is why China won’t even bother to go after Indian nukes, and why India will have to be suicidal to ever consider using nukes.

Indian nuclear weapons are a non-issue basically. The boarder region isn’t remotely important enough for either side to go nuclear over, and if India does press the button, it will be the last mistake they make. They might hit one or two second or third tier Chinese cities, but Chinese retaliation will end India as a nation, if not as a civilianisation. And to be frank, if they are stupid enough to go nuclear over some uninhabited rocks in the middle of nowhere, they deserve to win the Darwin Award.

Wait, even Agni-III cannot carry nuclear warhead?
 

Appix

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South Tibet or NE India consists of hundreds of tribes that do look like Chinese. Its a very diverse place. The ppl there are extremely tribalistic and only care about their local land/culture and not India (that's another reason why India has managed to hold that place for long as they've exploited inter tribal rivalries resulting in a weakened & dispersed opposition ).
If CCP can guarantee them absolute cultural/social autonomy along with economic growth , you can pretty much expect them to side with China.

Tribal peoples in this day and age. I respect that. They at least can survive in the wild unlike the modern human.
 

boytoy

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That sounds a lot like saying China can accept unequal treaties so long as it gets on with the other country, which would be contrary to previous Chinese government positions that unresolved unequal treaties would be a barrier to good relations.
Again, China's will always try to have good relations with other countries, but accepting unequal treaties is a thing of the past. Accepting any new unequal treaties will seriously damage the CCP's legitimacy and call into question their right to power.

Anyway I'll go back to my original question. I asked if China was happy with the revised area of control and if that could form a basis of a settlement, or whether China had further territorial ambitions.
If you are still referring to the Primorsky Krai areas along the Russian border, this issue is officially resolved through negotiation and is no longer a barrier to good relations with Russia. With that said, it's also true there are some in China who feel wronged that the Soviet Union, as allied communists, have forced yet another unequal treaty upon China, and deeply wish for China to regain this lost territory.

However, you describing this as China's "further territorial ambitions" suggests China will threaten Russia militarily in the future. This is untrue and is clearly a politically motivated statement. Again, this issue is resolved, and even if China does plan to regain Primorsky in the future, it will be almost definitely through win-win negotiation. There are a lot of things China can offer Russia in terms technologies, trade, and development.

Another user said that China would always punish another country that tried to take its territory, but that doesn't make a lot of sense in this context because as far as I'm aware the consensus on this forum is that India has not moved the border in its favour and it's China that has made advances.
Wrong, the current border conflict is solely started by Indian aggression. China views all her neighbors as partners for building a shared and prosperous future. There is no strategic benefit for China to start a conflict with India. China's current geopolitical focus is with America in the South China Sea and Taiwan strait. In fact, it is in China's strategic interest to maintain very good relations with India and as such, China has invested heavily in helping to build infrastructure in India.

In the current western dominated media landscape, hating on China is the popular and cool thing to do, so it's understandable that most people's thinks that China is the aggressor. India's claims is that "Chinese aggression" is Xi's attempt to divert attention away from domestic trouble. This is simply untrue.

There is very little "domestic trouble" in China currently. Perhaps in late 2019, Xi Jinping's leadership was criticized for his poor handling of the U.S-China relationship, and then in early 2020, the corona virus further pressured Xi's right to power. But by June, due to the excellent handling of the virus outbreak, all prior criticism became moot, and Xi has actually consolidated his position. He is currently expected to serve until 2035.

On the other hand, India is actually troubled by domestic matters. The corona virus hit the Indian Economy hard; adding on to that, the farmers' protest that started in September (which western media ignored completely until now), further pressured New Delhi to shift blame. This brought India closer to the United States as both parties now have the common interest in blaming China. Which made Russia unhappy, and we get Sergey Lavrov's comments on youtube being discussed here today.
 

j17wang

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Again, China's will always try to have good relations with other countries, but accepting unequal treaties is a thing of the past. Accepting any new unequal treaties will seriously damage the CCP's legitimacy and call into question their right to power.


If you are still referring to the Primorsky Krai areas along the Russian border, this issue is officially resolved through negotiation and is no longer a barrier to good relations with Russia. With that said, it's also true there are some in China who feel wronged that the Soviet Union, as allied communists, have forced yet another unequal treaty upon China, and deeply wish for China to regain this lost territory.

However, you describing this as China's "further territorial ambitions" suggests China will threaten Russia militarily in the future. This is untrue and is clearly a politically motivated statement. Again, this issue is resolved, and even if China does plan to regain Primorsky in the future, it will be almost definitely through win-win negotiation. There are a lot of things China can offer Russia in terms technologies, trade, and development.


Wrong, the current border conflict is solely started by Indian aggression. China views all her neighbors as partners for building a shared and prosperous future. There is no strategic benefit for China to start a conflict with India. China's current geopolitical focus is with America in the South China Sea and Taiwan strait. In fact, it is in China's strategic interest to maintain very good relations with India and as such, China has invested heavily in helping to build infrastructure in India.

In the current western dominated media landscape, hating on China is the popular and cool thing to do, so it's understandable that most people's thinks that China is the aggressor. India's claims is that "Chinese aggression" is Xi's attempt to divert attention away from domestic trouble. This is simply untrue.

There is very little "domestic trouble" in China currently. Perhaps in late 2019, Xi Jinping's leadership was criticized for his poor handling of the U.S-China relationship, and then in early 2020, the corona virus further pressured Xi's right to power. But by June, due to the excellent handling of the virus outbreak, all prior criticism became moot, and Xi has actually consolidated his position. He is currently expected to serve until 2035.

On the other hand, India is actually troubled by domestic matters. The corona virus hit the Indian Economy hard; adding on to that, the farmers' protest that started in September (which western media ignored completely until now), further pressured New Delhi to shift blame. This brought India closer to the United States as both parties now have the common interest in blaming China. Which made Russia unhappy, and we get Sergey Lavrov's comments on youtube being discussed here today.

TBH, I think India isn't actually talking as much about China these days as much as Pakistan and now the farmer protests. The Indian press realizes china and india are now in he-says she-says but they might actually have a chance to fight Pakistan. Mind you India still regards China as a threat, but in a more nebulous sense now. What is most interesting is the momentum of the farmer protests, which is a bigger threat to the indian government right now. Most analysts expected it to die down by now, but it clearly hasnt and is still picking up pace. Its gonna hurt indian economy as well since there is essentially blockading of major highways in north india.

This is the first time media has started criticizing the indian government. Normally they are being given a free pass. Agree that the western media has largely ignored this until now, but right now there are multiple demonstrations by indian diaspora across canada and the US that they are now paying attention as well. take a look at coverage in the economist, its actually turned quite negative towards india (though not anywhere close to china).
 

ougoah

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India media on a monday: Chiyna has gone back! vee are soo powafool.

India media on a wednesday: Chiyna is sooo bhed vhely evil peepools.

India media on a thursday: Chiyna is at voor vith America and the Chinki garbage will all fail.

India media on a friday: Taiwan destroyed Chiyna navy and shot down all their 10 J-20s.

India media on a saturday: Chiyna has lost 1000 soldiers according to anonymous OSINT from white guys (trust us must be trooo) and our mighty bihar has crushed 50 of dem PLA so badly they are unrecognisable! India captured parts of Tibet and all dispute back vith us Jai Hind.

India media on following monday: Chiyna must talk vith us diplomatically and resolve this problem.

Meanwhile literally everyone including the West - India stop... just stop.

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