Ladakh Flash Point

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plawolf

plawolf

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siegecrossbow said:
Objective might be blowing up their ammo storage, allow it to slowly reach back to the 15 days limit, and rinse and repeat.
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Nah, knowing the Indians, it will probably take them months just to organise a contract and new munitions might not be delivered for years.

China could just reduce Indian combat strengths by 50%, tell them ‘ok, you now have munitions for 30 days, your welcome’, and ask them if they actually want to fight for another 30 days.
 
manqiangrexue

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Mr T said:
That sounds a lot like saying China can accept unequal treaties so long as it gets on with the other country, which would be contrary to previous Chinese government positions that unresolved unequal treaties would be a barrier to good relations.
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Reread: Ladakh Flash Point
Just because the answer didn't take you in the direction you wanted to go doesn't mean it wasn't answered.

Mr T said:
Anyway I'll go back to my original question. I asked if China was happy with the revised area of control and if that could form a basis of a settlement, or whether China had further territorial ambitions.
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Don't know; you'll need to ask someone more authoritative with ZhongNanHai whether Beijing feels that India was punished enough for its transgressions or if more is needed or if they simply don't trust India enough to make a settlement.

Mr T said:
Another user said that China would always punish another country that tried to take its territory, but that doesn't make a lot of sense in this context because as far as I'm aware the consensus on this forum is that India has not moved the border in its favour and it's China that has made advances.
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Makes a whole lot of sense. "Tried" is the key word. India attempted to snatch land and failed. They can always pretend they were confused or trying to do something else but it's about as believable as a man wearing a black mask with a glass cutter and a duffle bag being caught after hours in a jewelry store saying he's here to check to AC system.
 
LCR34

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plawolf said:
India has more advanced weapons than 1991 Iraq, sure. Then again, the PLA of today has far more advanced weapons the the coalition of 1991. But it looks like the Indian will to fight is about the same if not worse than those of the Iraqis judging from the level of ‘enthusiasm’ needed to flee so hard you literally die because of it.

Not even the butt of countless jokes Iraqi military lost men from fleeing with zero hostile action as far as I am aware.

Also, say what you will about 1991 Iraq, at least they didn’t have the ridiculous logistics and munitions issues the Indians seemed to. When coalition forces came, the Iraqis were never short on munitions to shoot at least.

The only way the Indian military can retain viable fighting capabilities in the immediate combat region is China somehow allowed them the luxury of time with gradual escalation rather than an upfront knock out blow.

But gradual escalation has never been the PLA way. China generally endured as much as it can to try to find a peaceful solution, but if you do push China far enough that it authorizes the use of military force, it tends to strike with overwhelming force. That was the case in Korea, Vietnam and India. And I cannot see why the PLA would change it’s tried and proven strategy now.

Obviously China cannot take all of India in 15 days, but that was never going to be the military objective.

If the PLA does strike, it will aim to totally destroy Indian military forces and bases capable to engaging in the targeted area. In that respect, it will do what it did in 62 again, which is to totally destroy India frontline forces, and then unilaterally stop hostilities and dare the Indians to come and start the shooting again. The main difference will be that China is unlikely to initiate an unilateral pull back to pre-hostilities positions. Instead they will advance to their claim line and consider the boarder dispute settled.

Combat will only drag on beyond 15 days if Indian keeps trickle feeding fresh forces into the combat zone.
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Coalition went in knowing Saddam doesn't have WMD. Escalation of such magnitude is unprecedented (IND-PAK operated with utmost restraint after both nation became nuclear power). But i said the the war broke, PLA will go for the jugular, destroying both India's capability and will to fight back, then swiftly retreat and meet on ceasefire proposals. But be warned, both nations are one button away from mutual destruction so strategies planner will have to consider that.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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LCR34 said:
Coalition went in knowing Saddam doesn't have WMD. Escalation of such magnitude is unprecedented (IND-PAK operated with utmost restraint after both nation became nuclear power). But i said the the war broke, PLA will go for the jugular, destroying both India's capability and will to fight back, then swiftly retreat and meet on ceasefire proposals. But be warned, both nations are one button away from mutual destruction so strategies planner will have to consider that.
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India does not have MAD capabilities against China, not even close in fact, but China can end the Indian civilisation if it chose to.

That is why China won’t even bother to go after Indian nukes, and why India will have to be suicidal to ever consider using nukes.

Indian nuclear weapons are a non-issue basically. The boarder region isn’t remotely important enough for either side to go nuclear over, and if India does press the button, it will be the last mistake they make. They might hit one or two second or third tier Chinese cities, but Chinese retaliation will end India as a nation, if not as a civilianisation. And to be frank, if they are stupid enough to go nuclear over some uninhabited rocks in the middle of nowhere, they deserve to win the Darwin Award.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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LCR34 said:
I've read enough funny tweets from India's MoD to doubt their capability of winning such award.
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I seldom take notice of what they say on account of their consistent history of talking pure nonsense, and focus instead on what they actually do.

Did India escalate or back down when Pakistan spanked them? If they cut and ran after a light spanking from Pakistan, you honestly expect them to come back for more after getting curbstomped by China?
 
LCR34

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plawolf said:
I seldom take notice of what they say on account of their consistent history of talking pure nonsense, and focus instead on what they actually do.

Did India escalate or back down when Pakistan spanked them? If they cut and ran after a light spanking from Pakistan, you honestly expect them to come back for more after getting curbstomped by China?
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I wouldnt call it curbstomp until Type99a actually parked in front of Rashtrapati.
 
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