Ladakh Flash Point

crash8pilot said:

You're not exactly flying into Afghanistan where the risk of being shot down by SAMs or AAA is practically non-existent - whatever the Indians fly into our territorial claim risks being taken down by integrated air defense or PLAAF fighter jets.

The alleged shootdown of the Indian Mig-21/Su-30 by the Pakistanis made quite for quite the news cycle, could you imagine the headlines if one was shot down by the PLA and the pilot potentially captured? It'd hurt their wallets losing a $100m drone, but the damage would be a lot less having to fight on the propaganda front. It's hard to place a value on life.

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I don't agree with this argument, the India-Pakistani argument is so emotionally charged literally anything will make the news cycle.

Drone shootdowns don't normally make the news because most drones are cheap and armies expect to lose them, and it happens regularly. Regular news is boring news.

A $100 million loss is not something that IAF will expect to happen often, therefore it will also be news-worthy.

Kakyan said:

Already been debunked by officials:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1322082123952484352

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Interesting! The ex-BJP, Member of Parliament, Mr Thupstan Chhewang who represented this region in Ladakh for 5 years till 2019 has not denied his reported statement, nor is he being questioned by the Indian social media ( including the PRO Udhampur).
More on Mr. Thupstan Chewang:
His lineage and links to Ladakh are interesting.

India - creator, spreader, entertainer, debunker, and appreciator of its own fake news.

We should wait for China to say something about this as potentially likely as it would be for the CCP to keep quiet on any further moves by the PLA into what Indian already considers WELL WITHIN India proper.

silentlurker said:

I don't agree with this argument, the India-Pakistani argument is so emotionally charged literally anything will make the news cycle.

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And the Sino-Indian incursion isn't?

silentlurker said:

Drone shootdowns don't normally make the news because most drones are cheap and armies expect to lose them, and it happens regularly. Regular news is boring news.

A $100 million loss is not something that IAF will expect to happen often, therefore it will also be news-worthy.

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Errrmmmm what now? Drone shootdowns don't normally make the news, and yet the loss of a $100 million drone would be news-worthy???

You're comparing a multi-role fighter jet to an ISR drone that performs CAS+target interdiction as a secondary mission. A fighter jet spends most of its time flying (most of the time in tandem with wingmen) on the battlefield, while a drone spends most of its time loitering alone without air support in enemy territory where it runs an increased risk of getting shot down.

The loss of combat pilots to training events have been making the news rounds the past year. Could you imagine if this were real combat and the pilot was killed or captured by the enemy? I'd trust the Chinese news media to be courteous enough not to put footage of the crashed wreckage or the captured/killed Indian combatant (our track record surely backs that narrative), but the events would absolutely ripple on the propaganda side of things around the global news cycle. Good luck fighting that on the psychological warfare front, dare I say even the mighty CIA would struggle to put out that fire should it ever happen.

The ISR capabilities in addition to mitigating the risk of losing a living pilot justifies the high price tag of the Reaper drone. In this day and age you just can't place a price tag on the cost of human life, not when the technology is available to mitigate the loss of life performing the very same mission set. Moreover the fact that drones are unmanned calls for sophisticated technology, which consequently runs up the cost. In any case we are drifting massively away from the thread topic.

So when the weather gets cold in Ladakh it is back to the Malacca Straits again.
Old equation: If India threatens the Malacca Straits China will back off from Ladakh.

ougoah said:

...as it would be for the CCP to keep quiet on any further moves by the PLA into what Indian already considers WELL WITHIN India proper.

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It's interesting that the Indian Prime Minister had to personally debunk "fake news" with the statement " no one has intruded...".

Bright Sword said:

So when the weather gets cold in Ladakh it is back to the Malacca Straits again.
Old equation: If India threatens the Malacca Straits China will back off from Ladakh.

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Doesn't get any more clear that the Indians will twist everything. Countering the Chinese navy? Where? Lol Defending India against the Chinese navy? From what? When and what did the Chinese navy attack?

Can a group get any more pathetic? Inventing nonsense and setting up fake situations so they can claim victory from something that isn't even there. Indian navy and India cannot block any strait. If they did, the PLAN will not be attacking India, other countries with their trade disrupted will be! I don't think any country will take kindly to India telling them who they can trade with lol high on their own mightiness and non-existent importance.

TD739 said:

Lol, this is just too funny. On a side note You always like to criticize others English skills yet your screen name is very degenerate to the native english speakers.

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Ah, this is funny for you again, huh? Because you didn't know that Manqiangrexue isn't any kind of English much less degenerate English; it's a Chinese phrase in pinyin. Always laughing at things you don't understand. It adds up...

TD739 said:

You are of the rare kind that have profound insecurity on English skill level. Stop this senseless insecurity and Give it a rest. Your name , background and English level don't add up.

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So if you had considered the obvious possibility that I am bilingual, it would immediately all add up.

TD739 said:

Right now, I am holding on but soon to be released on torrent of laughter on your idiotic prediction of China EUV ready within 2 years. You know it's coming.

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Laughing again at things you don't understand. Very consistent with you...

You now what's unlikely to hold on for 2 years? Your current account LOL Why don't you go further discuss that with your Freesixnine account? Oh, that's another one of yours that got banned...

escobar said:

As I have said it is your misunderstanding, not mine.

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@escobar Well, no way to solve that debate between 2 people saying the other has a misunderstanding issue. Only way is to check how many likes each person got. If you think 10 people misunderstood and 10 people say you misunderstand, a sane person would have his answer, which is no guarantee for you.

Bright Sword said:

So when the weather gets cold in Ladakh it is back to the Malacca Straits again.
Old equation: If India threatens the Malacca Straits China will back off from Ladakh.

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Well they can block Malacca strait with their 56 inch b--bs.


I ain't saying it. They are saying it.

Bright Sword said:

So when the weather gets cold in Ladakh it is back to the Malacca Straits again.
Old equation: If India threatens the Malacca Straits China will back off from Ladakh.

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They wish.
On the contrary, China can cross the line into real Indian territory, then will India back off from Malacca.
So now we can see all these (mostly India) dreams being absurd because the everyone can do the same.