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Figaro

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It does not follow that. The Media says India is winning. The entire society is talking trash and thumbing their chests. Until a full scale war happens and India is badly beaten, the mindset is "India is not the India of 1962". If India is doing so well, why the need for reform? If a full scale war happen, India will already be broken up.
The mindset is correct: India is indeed not the India of 1962. In 1962, India was in a much stronger position militarily and economically relative to day vis-a-vis China. The fact is that they got crushed by the PLA in 1962, when their odds were magnitudes more favorable than those of today. Extremely simple. A second Sino-Indian war will basically be a huge repeat of 1962, except this time the Chinese are going to advance much further, with Delhi being the primary objective. At a bare minimum, Leh in the Western sector will be captured and the Siliguri Corridor will be closed in the Eastern sector, putting Northeast India firmly under the control of the Chinese.
 

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Bright, Thanks for the history on Indian manufacturing. One of the most basic and needed item for a country like India are guns and ammo. Now this is not as rudimentary as making plastic toys. You do need someone who knows metallurgy. Many Eastern European countries managed to do a decent job making usable guns and ammo. This is critical for the survival of a country if war breaks out.
Don't disagree with what you said and I would like to add some more:
1. Arms and ammunition can be produced by the tribals of Darra Adam Khel in Pakistan on the Pak Afghan border ( no Brahmins there ! ). Craftsman can produce complex mechanisms and components, I was referring to innovation coupled with mass production and quality control to reduce cost. In other words assembly line production, This was mastered by Henry Ford in 1907 who in turn was inspired by Remington and other arms manufacturers. The rest of the world, Germany, Japan, Russia, and now China followed suit. A good brass worker can hammer out a cartridge case on a mandrel using a mallet in 30 minutes, a single brass tube extrusion and "necking" machine with dies at 150 strokes a minute will turn out 4500 cases in that much time.
Today manufacturing technology is in rapid transition. Fine blanking presses, stamping presses, orbital forgings, multi-spindle turning stations, multiple spindle rifling stations can turn out parts for assault rifles by the million. These technologies were mastered 120 yesrs back enabling the nations of the world to fight two World Wars. Once the break throughs in rapid 3D metal additive printing are made to churn out parts in higher numbers weapons will become even cheaper. What is required are good engineers to Design for Ease of Manufacturing ( DFEM).
If a nation has the capacity to mass produce a trigger mechanism they can mass produce the components of a printer. Good engineering ability and innovation is needed.
2. On Brahmins in Silicon Valley:
Indians choose careers not because they like the job but where they can make money. So it is not that Brahmins are good in software engineering. They just happen to know there is a demand for those skills and manage and manipulate their entry by crass nepotism. At one time almost all the Brahmins were ending up as Civil Engineers because India was in a infrastructure building phase under what then used to be 5-year plans. There was much under the table money to be made through government contracts so the Brahmins and forward castes were there, Tomorrow if there is a shortage of hair dressers in the USA and one could get an H1-B visa for hair dressers, believe me the Brahmins would end up in the hair salons.
It is simplistic to club all Indian Brahmins as the same. There are deep linguistic chauvinist and cultural divides in India. A Saraswat Brahmin from Maharashtra will hate sharing his office with a Nambiar Brahmin from Kerala. Likewise a Bhardawaj Brahmin from Punjab has little in common with the Iyengar Brahmin of Tamil Nadu ( Known as Tam Brams).
Currently there is a bitter conflict between the Andhra lobby verses the Maratha lobby ( all Brahmins) in Silicon Valley CA. There is also a caste faction with the forward backward divide amongst the Indian communities in Silicon Valley.
3. Racism in India:
Racism is rampant amongst Indians and they have a derogatory terminology for other peoples.
(a) Gora - White man, this is the derogatory term used by Indians for British or Europeans in India but that baggage has been carried over to North America.
(b) Kala : Black or African Americans,
In India there is a passion for light
complexion. The term Kala refers
to dark complexion which is
derogatory.
(c) Chapta - Flat or flat nose, referring to those with Mongoloid features.
(d) Katua - Circumcised or Muslim.
Other names for Muslims;
Sullah, Musla, Mian, Landya, all referring to the circumcised condition.

Anglicized educated Brahmins have derogatory names for their own country men.
"Harry" ( from Bihar); "Shched" Scheduled Caste); Ghoti ( Andhra );
"Bong" ( from Bengal); Southie ( obvious); "Surd" ( Sikh from Punjab). etc.
Churchill's famous statement:
" India is no more a country than Europe "'
 
That the best that Indians can do at the OLYMPICS of Programming,
is 41 at the ACM-ICPC World Programming Contest says a lot about the lack of brilliance of Indian software engineers.

All the more pathetic given the strong emphasis India placed on the IT industry and the millions of Indian IT graduates.

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Results 2019

41 Indian Institute of Technology - Madras
41 Indian Institute of Technology - Roorkee

Better than from 2018 though, at the same position as tiny Singapore.
Results 2018
56 Indian Institute of Technology - Delhi
56 National University of Singapore
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Programming competitions say nothing about software engineering. I would never hire 95 percent of those top performers in programming competitions. The problems solved at programming competitions are nothing like real life engineering problems. When it comes to actual software engineers, Indians make up a disproportionately large segment of the US workforce, and there is a large variance in their competence and ability. You have a lot of great Indian engineers at even the top US tech firms, and you have a huge number of barely competent Indian engineers filling the ranks of second rate consulting agencies and the IT departments of non-tech firms.
 

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Programming competitions say nothing about software engineering. I would never hire 95 percent of those top performers in programming competitions. The problems solved at programming competitions are nothing like real life engineering problems. When it comes to actual software engineers, Indians make up a disproportionately large segment of the US workforce, and there is a large variance in their competence and ability. You have a lot of great Indian engineers at even the top US tech firms, and you have a huge number of barely competent Indian engineers filling the ranks of second rate consulting agencies and the IT departments of non-tech firms.

As I understand it, international competitions are more a test of talent and potential of human capital than experience.
 
As I understand it, international competitions are more a test of talent and potential of human capital than experience.

To finish highly in programming competitions, talent is definitely needed but practice and exposure to enough variants of the types of problems is even more important. All competition problems can be broken down into a finite number of base problems. To be a very competent software engineer, both talent and experience is required. No amount of experience can overcome a lack of talent. Talent for programming competitions does not translate to talent for software engineering, and vice versa. Software engineering itself has branched off into many different sub fields and specializations, where talent in one field does not translate into success in another field.
 

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Curious about the caste distribution; i.e, you can look up the names and figure out which castes they belong to. Parts of India have a really aggressive affirmative action program, so it's possible you ended up getting the results of AA.
Its happening here:
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In the USA the upper manager level are Brahmins, There are some dalits to do the grunt work ( very few). The dalits and other castes work in BPOs in India.
Also important is the linguistic divide with Andhra vs the rest.
 

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come on guys enough talking about Brahmin and ksatria Shudra Good news India release Chinese soldier
The PLA soldier, who went missing when helping herdsman find yak near China-India border, has been returned to the Chinese border troops by Indian army early Wednesday
Are we correct to assume this is the first and only time a PLA soldier has strayed across?
The Indian Army makes no such claims for any soldiers since 1962.
 

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Are we correct to assume this is the first and only time a PLA soldier has strayed across?
The Indian Army makes no such claims for any soldiers since 1962.

No no, Hu from Global Times said this happens all the time from both sides. So much so that exchange of people who wonder over the border is business as usual and doesn't normally attract any media attention.

The unusual thing is why on this occasion India decide to make a big deal out of it.
 
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