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timepass

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But, no guarantee of US help when war with China does materialise.

Well if Modi and gang still wants war with China with America's blessing. Go ask Saakashvili how well did that American promise go when he poked Russia too hard with that same Uncle Sam's blessing.

But anyway, congratulations to India on your ascension to be Uncle Sam's bitch.

No one knows better then Pakistan, as we acted same from 80s till before few years back to fulfill Uncle Sam whishes and what we got is labelled a terrorist nation or sponsor terrorism.....
 

Sardaukar20

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No one knows better then Pakistan, as we acted same from 80s till before few years back to fulfill Uncle Sam whishes and what we got is labelled a terrorist nation or sponsor terrorism.....
Yes. Pakistan helped America in the cold war to oppose the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Pakistan sacrificed tens of thousands of lives to fight America's war on terror. But now Pakistan is labelled as a terrorist nation.

China helped America to oppose the Soviet Union in the late cold war. But China is enemy no. 1.

Soviet Union help the Western allies defeat Nazi Germany. But became enemy no. 1 in the Cold War.

Iraq helped America to hurt Iran after the 1979 revolution. But became enemy no.1 during the Gulf Wars.

The writing is on the wall for India. The US have no true allies. Only allies of convenience. When India looses its usefulness, expect some unexpected hostility from your good friend, America. Only this time its fully justified. No one would pity India for being yet another fool.
 

timepass

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Yes. Pakistan helped America in the cold war to oppose the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Pakistan sacrificed tens of thousands of lives to fight America's war on terror. But now Pakistan is labelled as a terrorist nation.

Not only that we catered more than 4 million Afghan refugees due to that our social set up/culture destroyed as we got Arms and drugs in our society. Remember, 2.5 million Afghans still in Pakistan.

China helped America to oppose the Soviet Union in the late cold war. But China is enemy no. 1.

Soviet Union help the Western allies defeat Nazi Germany. But became enemy no. 1 in the Cold War.

Iraq helped America to hurt Iran after the 1979 revolution. But became enemy no.1 during the Gulf Wars.

Plus Afghan freedom fighters, who fought on behalf of US/CIA later became Taliban ...... Yesterday Friends todays Foe....

The writing is on the wall for India. The US have no true allies. Only allies of convenience. When India looses its usefulness, expect some unexpected hostility from your good friend, America. Only this time its fully justified. No one would pity India for being yet another fool.

True but pathetic ....
 

AndrewS

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Hi Jono,

but I was told that the Indian Government only takes care of the elites and the middle class, about 200 million

Its inflated, China had 300 million middle class out of 1.4 billion almost the same if we follow Indian official estimate, do the math the actual number is around 60-80 million at most.

it is really sad to see common people in India suffer like this, without food or proper medical care.

The troubling thing is that they are resign to live their lives in destitute. They had no voice and no power and its a continuing cycle, I think it need an outside intervention to break that cycle.

At root, it's the Hindu caste system with its 3000 separate castes and untouchables, which includes the belief that birth determines destiny.

So you would need a cultural and religious revolution in people's beliefs.
At the same time, caste advantages have been baked into the government, so you would need to abolish these tangible benefits as well.

So I don't see this renewal happening internally, particularly with a Hindu-fundamentalist party like the BJP.
And external intervention to do this, would likely result in the breakup of India.
 

ansy1968

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At root, it's the Hindu caste system with its 3000 separate castes and untouchables, which includes the belief that birth determines destiny.

So you would need a cultural and religious revolution in people's beliefs.
At the same time, caste advantages have been baked into the government, so you would need to abolish these tangible benefits as well.

So I don't see this renewal happening internally, particularly with a Hindu-fundamentalist party like the BJP.
And external intervention to do this, would likely result in the breakup of India.
Hi AndrewS,

Amen with that Bro, I may offend a lot of people here in SDF with my comment, so I apologized in advance, Religion is a major hindrance in the development and advancement of human being.
 

emblem21

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Hi AndrewS,

Amen with that Bro, I may offend a lot of people here in SDF with my comment, so I apologized in advance, Religion is a major hindrance in the development and advancement of human being.
The problem with religion these days is that everything can be twisted and turn to suit ones ends. Just take a look at the UK and the USA with how the Bible has the Ten Commandments and yet these laws get broken almost every second in either countries and they still profess to follow the world of Christ as though they did nothing wrong. I mean what the hell
 

plawolf

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The cast system is the number one reason why India will never live up to its potential, with misogyny the second cause. You cannot fully unlock the potential of a billion people if you are literally treating most of them as second or third class citizens with their life prospects basically capped at birth.

One has to wonder how many great minds with world change potential were simply wasted to nothing in Indian slums because they never even got a chance to realise their true potential simply due to the unforgivable sin of being born in the ‘wrong’ cast or gender.

China is only where it is today because it gave women true equality in society and the workplace, while also providing basic education for the overwhelming majority of its citizens, and a meritocratic advancement system where the sky is the limit so long as you have the talent and tenacity to pursue your goal.

Just think of all the people who contributed most to Chinese social, economic and technological advancement over the decades since the birth of modern China, and see how many of them were born to wealthy families. And then wonder how many of them would have even gotten a chance to leave the limits of their births had China had an Indian style cast and religious system that systematically oppressed all women and everyone deemed to be of ‘lower’ casts.

I suspect there is a similarly rotten core to the Indian military, where most of the officers got their commissions due to simple accidents of birth and family/cast connections rather than actual ability and merit.

Indian troops did ok in both world wars, but then they were led by Imperial British white officers for the most part. And one really has to question the caliber of Indian officer classes given the utter nonsense so many of them have been sprouting on Twitter and Indian domestic media.
 
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