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TD739

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Indian elites have perverted mindset. They are jealous of China accomplishment yet they look down at China because they feel they are inherited from British. Much the same way Hongkong people feel superior over mainlanders.

Because of their contempt for China and perceived support from both west and Russia , India is aggressive against China, very much willing to pick a fight.

Their low class soldiers are little values to them. Their elites think they can sacrificed for gain.

But I can't wait if China treat India as enemy #1 and squash them completely. Once accomplished the flood gate will open. China with it's large army and high tech weaponries can push all the way to middle east. No proxy fighters can stop them
 

Bright Sword

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This is India's barracks

It seems India today can't find the TV reporters of the required standard. The reporter himself is shivering and gasping and its not even full winter yet.
His accent is awful, Both English and Hindi. He mixes his "sh" and "s" sounds as well as the "j" and "z" sounds. Usually such accent mixups indicate nominal education. He attempts to report in English, and collapses into Hindi. Viewers in Southern India and the North East can't understand a word of what he is saying. India today is supposed to be a national English Language channel.
The much hyped English proficiency of Indians locked into their colonial mind set appears to be degrading.
The sapper speaking to the reporter is from Southern India. North Indians don't do well as combat engineers because it requires English literacy and at least an associate engineering certification. The sapper can barely express himself stumbling into using English words and his accent is terrible,
Reports such as these indicate India's linguistic and cultural dilemma.
 

Bright Sword

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"Within 15 minutes to send China back 100 miles". Lol

Unfortunate ! They never learn.
His dad the Indian Prime Minister from 1984 to 1989 took on the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka and got blown to smithereens.
Also previously at a guard of honor when visiting Sri Lanka one of the Sri Lankan soldiers stepped out of line and clobbered this Indian Prime minister with his rifle butt. The video is on the internet.
No foreign dignitary has ever been attacked by the guard of honor of the host country. But the Sri Lankans hated his dad.
Then his grandmother also India's Prime Minister in 1984 got sprayed with a Sterling sub-machine gun carried by her own security guard.
 

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From the Chinese point of view, breaking India to break the Quad is relatively easy. India is already relatively contained because its neighbors hate her, and India's military preparedness is not at the same level China would see in the East Asia Sea in a conflict over Taiwan.

Basically, when others are attempting a containment attempt on you, you strike at the weakest link. India seems to be an easier way to break containment, given the land border, than to go for Taiwan.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Indian elites have perverted mindset. They are jealous of China accomplishment yet they look down at China because they feel they are inherited from British. Much the same way Hongkong people feel superior over mainlanders.

Because of their contempt for China and perceived support from both west and Russia , India is aggressive against China, very much willing to pick a fight.

Their low class soldiers are little values to them. Their elites think they can sacrificed for gain.

But I can't wait if China treat India as enemy #1 and squash them completely. Once accomplished the flood gate will open. China with it's large army and high tech weaponries can push all the way to middle east. No proxy fighters can stop them

I don't think so as much as I don't like the Indian elite going to war is easy ending it is difficult. Unless they started first there is no point in wasting asset, manpower and energy to satisfy Indian fantasy, craving for revenge and glory on battle field. Nope the main energy of China should be directed toward east The taiwan question must be decided within this decade now that Taiwan usefullness will come to and end as soon as China self sufficient in semiconductor.

Taiwan is the key that hold back China road to greatness remove it and Japan will be vulnerable and will change direction Once Japan gone there is no practical way to contain China
 

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Interesting...

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Executive Summary

August 2017 marked the 70th anniversary of U.S.-India diplomatic relations. Ironically, the first five decades of the relationship between the world’s two largest democracies were marked by barely disguised hostility and estrangement because of India’s foreign policy of nonalignment and the United States’ Cold-War-based embrace of Pakistan. However, in the past two decades, four U.S. presidents from both political parties have identified India as a key strategic partner in Asia, resulting in a sharp downturn in U.S.-Pakistan relations and a concurrent upturn in U.S.-India relations.

Washington’s strategic bet on India reflects a U.S. perception of converging strategic interests in promoting global and regional security, offsetting China’s growing military and economic power in Asia, and protecting the sea lanes running through the Indian Ocean. This requires a capable Indian military establishment. But does one exist, and what can be expected from it in terms of warfighting capability, influence on regional stability, and impact on Indian government decision-making? Indian government restrictions on official U.S. contacts with Indian military personnel have limited our understanding of these issues.

In an effort to fill some of the resultant U.S. information gaps, this study examines the observations of U.S. military personnel who attended India’s Defence Services Staff College (DSSC) at Wellington. Although the DSSC is a tri-service professional military education institution, this study focuses primarily on the Indian Army, the largest and most influential military service in India. Collectively, U.S. personnel at the DSSC had sustained interactions over an extended period of time with three distinct groups of Indian Army officers: senior officers (brigadier through lieutenant general), senior midlevel (lieutenant colonel and colonel), and junior midlevel (captain and major). The study focuses on the attitudes and values of the Indian Army officer corps over a 38-year period, from 1979 to 2017, to determine if there was change over time, and if so, to understand the drivers of that change.

Key findings of interest to the policy and intelligence communities include the following.

  • The DSSC provides an adequate midcareer-officer education, but the college’s approach to pedagogy sharply restricts useful learning and inhibits the development of critical thinking.
  • Indian students at the DSSC are highly nationalistic, but do not display the type of Hindu nationalist ideology known as Hindutva. 1 The high level of social cohesion evident within the Indian military establishment seems to limit the potential for factionalism based on religion, ethnicity, or social class, and there is no indication that traditional democratic and secular values within that establishment are threatened. 10 David O. Smith
  • From a U.S. perspective, the ground doctrine taught at the DSSC pays insufficient attention to combat support and combat service support functions, and fails to adequately address combined arms operations. More importantly, it fails to provide effective joint training.
  • Despite two decades of increasingly close U.S.-Indian political and military relations, a high level of mistrust (and thinly veiled hostility) about the United States generally persists in all three groups of Indian officers.
  • The intensity of Indian Army hostility toward Pakistan increased in every decade of the study. Although China is perceived as India’s major long-term security threat, there is reluctance to characterize it as an enemy.
  • Despite a deep-seated conviction that its internal security doctrine is effective, the Indian Army has yet to completely quell any of India’s four long-running insurgencies.
  • The Indian Army ignores its own counterinsurgency doctrine in Jammu and Kashmir, and the extrajudicial killing of militants is an unacknowledged feature of that doctrine.
  • Indian students at the DSSC were observed to be consistently apolitical in all four decades of the study, but the post-independence Indian civil-military relationship is evolving as a result of increasing internal and external security challenges. There is growing frustration with the government’s unwillingness to reform the Higher Defence Organization.
  • Despite a doctrinal assumption that Pakistan will employ nuclear and chemical weapons against India in a future war, the DSSC curriculum avoids any significant discussion of the effects of these weapons, and no meaningful training. The Indian Army appears unconcerned about the efficacy of Pakistani tactical nuclear weapons and totally unprepared to operate in a nuclear environment.
The implications of these findings are mostly negative for South Asian regional stability for the following reasons.

Despite the official rhetoric of both governments and burgeoning military sales, other inherent friction in the relationship makes it unlikely that the United States and India will become genuine strategic partners in the foreseeable future.

The actions of the Indian Army in Jammu and Kashmir and the abrogation of state’s constitutional autonomy by the Modi government have accelerated the radicalization of a new generation of Kashmiri youth, rekindled an indigenous militancy once thought to have been defeated, and raised the level of violence along the Line of Control to levels not seen since 2003.

In the event of a future war with Pakistan or China, the Indian Army may not perform as well as it expects, and a failure against China might draw in the United States on India’s side, with the attendant risk of horizontal military escalation in Asia.

There is no reason to expect that, in any future war with Pakistan, India will understand Pakistan’s nuclear “red lines” or that the Indian armed forces will not inadvertently cross one or more.
 

gelgoog

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The flatter parts of the China-India border are basically desert. Just let the Indians invade and nuke them.
 

TD739

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I don't think so as much as I don't like the Indian elite going to war is easy ending it is difficult. Unless they started first there is no point in wasting asset, manpower and energy to satisfy Indian fantasy, craving for revenge and glory on battle field. Nope the main energy of China should be directed toward east The taiwan question must be decided within this decade now that Taiwan usefullness will come to and end as soon as China self sufficient in semiconductor.

Taiwan is the key that hold back China road to greatness remove it and Japan will be vulnerable and will change direction Once Japan gone there is no practical way to contain China
Once China taken Taiwan by force, things will happen
1)US led western economic sanction on China. It's a given. Like Russia sanction after Crimea.
2)US and allies forces still superior surrounding China. Including Malacca strait. Still liable to be choked by US and it's allies.
3) key Taiwanese talents and elites and already evacuated from island. Meaning TSMC will start it's new life at US. KeyTSMC tech will not be left at Taiwan.


So what would be difference by then? What now?

The strategic dynamic has not changed at all except ensuring western economic sanction. Once China this vulnerable, India will jump in to rub salt at the wound to block Chinese ships at Andaman sea, this is consented by US and its allies.


This is a complete dead end to me.
 
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