MwRYum
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You're going to hurt the feelings of S.Koreans and Japanese on that note...
Ladakh Flash Point
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India is a developing country getting in bed with the biggest imperialist nation USA. India's quarrel with China is based on 17th Century British theft of China's territories. And for that, India is abandoning its future to be a lapdog for USA. While China is genuinely helping develop India's economy. USA will never allow India to be an economic competitor. Indian firms will never be allowed to overtake American firms. Just like what happened with Japan. The implications are dire for India in the long term. That is why they are a useful idiot.
China is not the aggressor here. They were merely trying to push back idiotic Indian aggression. All the while taking blows from a US initiated Cold War.
Well if you want to call China an idiot. Perhaps China is an idiot when it comes to posturing and playing the realpolitik game. China still wants to 'resolutely oppose' or 'voice concern' towards these clearly hostile countries. Being the 'nice guy' guarantees getting pushed around.
China can do so much more. Call the USA and India for what they are: 'Evil Empires'. Insult the hell out of Trump and Modi. Because both are truly clowns. China will be doing the world a favour.
Get serious with forming a strategic and military alliance with Russia. Form a defence pact with Asian countries opposed to India. Isolate India from the rest of Asia. And build up the nuclear arsenal for God's sake.
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I kinda agree that the Quad is a scam job. Its not going to protect India one bit. If India starts a foolish war with China over Ladakh. Would the other 3 of the Quad wanna risk WW3 with China? Anything they can think of doing on China on India's behalf will be too much a price to pay in terms of lives and economy.
The Quad as I see it is a manipulation to get India to be the useful idiot to fight it out with China. The US, Japan, and Australia can 'cheerlead' India, while laughing from behind at its stupidity to doing them a favour to hurt China, but at the same time killing its own future.
The US, Australia, and Japan will certainly not get involved in a land war with China in the Ladakh region. They won't need to invest more into their ground forces. If the Ladakh conflict actually develop into a full fledged conventional war, there will not be quad boots (except India's) in Ladakh. That's the main issue with Jimmy's opinion on quad. I think the quad is useful in formally acknowledging their shared military goal (led by the US or whatever doesn't matter the important thing is the result). This furthers their perception of "needing" to militarily engage China and so it is very useful for all four of those nations in that regard.
US, Japan, and Australia already have certain interoperability and have had for decades. They basically all use US weapons with pockets of exceptions in non-critical areas except maybe Japan's own missiles which I'm sure can be networked appropriately enough. Indian military interoperability with the three is going to be a long and fruitless endeavor. It would have very little payoff for every situation except a SCS war that involves India or quad war in Indian Ocean which is highly unlikely since China won't contest it and would have no reason to contest anything there. Blocking any strait is hilariously unrealistic despite some Indian and western morons giving it attention. Blocking during a SCS war is more likely though. So again it reverts to SCS war. This is the most likely point of contact and is clearly the source of China's main military attention.
US, Japan, and Australia already have certain interoperability and have had for decades. They basically all use US weapons with pockets of exceptions in non-critical areas except maybe Japan's own missiles which I'm sure can be networked appropriately enough. Indian military interoperability with the three is going to be a long and fruitless endeavor. It would have very little payoff for every situation except a SCS war that involves India or quad war in Indian Ocean which is highly unlikely since China won't contest it and would have no reason to contest anything there. Blocking any strait is hilariously unrealistic despite some Indian and western morons giving it attention. Blocking during a SCS war is more likely though. So again it reverts to SCS war. This is the most likely point of contact and is clearly the source of China's main military attention.
escobar
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I know. Even if the Martians invade Earth still They will be saying same thing "We firmly oppose..............."
That's why i said before, when it's come to PR stunt & posturing, they are totally hopeless. Even NoKo does it better
Yes NK does it better. PRC gov give too much importance than necessary to the relationship with US.
That make their PR weak as the objective seem to make US to accept them.
During the trade war Xi were asking US officials why US can't accept China political system like China accept US system.
escobar
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escobar
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Maybe. So what ?
Aggression, either it is from China or India is not the main cause of the situation. Just the consequence of two "stupid" (of course at different levels) gov of two countries unable or unwilling to settle their border dispute for multiple reasons.
More effective policy than calling some coutries "useful idiot".
plawolf
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The QUAD is entirely about India. America is trying to achieve a number of strategic objectives with that.
Firstly, America is just using the same playbook as it did during Hillary and Obama’s time in the SCS - overtly support the territorial claims of India, with behind-closed-doors promises of support to encourage India to press their claim to exasperate tensions.
The goal is to either provoke a shooting war, or at a minimum to massively damage Sino-Indian relations to make India much more receptive to American advances for formal military alliances against China.
The aim is to, in the immediate term, divert Chinese attention and resources away from the East to weaken Chinese force disposition and relieve some of the pressure on the likes of Japan and Taiwan, who’s air forces are being run ragged by the need to scramble to ‘intercept’ massive increased PLAAF air activity. With the hope of weakening Chinese Eastern force concentrations enough to make a military strike less suicidal for US and allied forces.
In the medium term, America is looking to try to open up a new front for China in the East by either using Indian forces, or basing American forces on Indian territory to pose a threat to China’s BRI, thereby elevating India in China’s threat assessment from irrelevant annoyance to credible threat.
BRI is China’s next grand project, and if successful, has the potential to render US maritime dominance irrelevant as per Mackinder’s Heartland theory. Which could isolate America and hasten its decline by promoting Asia-Europe trade and co-operation.
The further BRI extends from China, the more branches it will develop, and thus the harder it will be for America to try to counter and contain. Especially given geopolitical realities. As such trying to cut it off at source would be most effective in countering it, which can realistically only be done via India.
The long term ultimate goal for America would be to provoke a clash of civilisations between India and China, thereby locking China in a massive and prolonged war effort, which could drain Chinese resources and blood for a generation like Afghanistan has done to America.
I think Chinese strategists see the danger, which is a key reason as to why China has, and is continuing to be so restrained in the face of non-stop Indian provocations.
Luckily, it looks like China has been able to effectively deter the Indian leadership with its show of strength. All the noise we are hearing now from India is just face-saving shittalk, much like how little thugs would shittalk as they back away from a fight to try to not look like a coward to their buddies.
Firstly, America is just using the same playbook as it did during Hillary and Obama’s time in the SCS - overtly support the territorial claims of India, with behind-closed-doors promises of support to encourage India to press their claim to exasperate tensions.
The goal is to either provoke a shooting war, or at a minimum to massively damage Sino-Indian relations to make India much more receptive to American advances for formal military alliances against China.
The aim is to, in the immediate term, divert Chinese attention and resources away from the East to weaken Chinese force disposition and relieve some of the pressure on the likes of Japan and Taiwan, who’s air forces are being run ragged by the need to scramble to ‘intercept’ massive increased PLAAF air activity. With the hope of weakening Chinese Eastern force concentrations enough to make a military strike less suicidal for US and allied forces.
In the medium term, America is looking to try to open up a new front for China in the East by either using Indian forces, or basing American forces on Indian territory to pose a threat to China’s BRI, thereby elevating India in China’s threat assessment from irrelevant annoyance to credible threat.
BRI is China’s next grand project, and if successful, has the potential to render US maritime dominance irrelevant as per Mackinder’s Heartland theory. Which could isolate America and hasten its decline by promoting Asia-Europe trade and co-operation.
The further BRI extends from China, the more branches it will develop, and thus the harder it will be for America to try to counter and contain. Especially given geopolitical realities. As such trying to cut it off at source would be most effective in countering it, which can realistically only be done via India.
The long term ultimate goal for America would be to provoke a clash of civilisations between India and China, thereby locking China in a massive and prolonged war effort, which could drain Chinese resources and blood for a generation like Afghanistan has done to America.
I think Chinese strategists see the danger, which is a key reason as to why China has, and is continuing to be so restrained in the face of non-stop Indian provocations.
Luckily, it looks like China has been able to effectively deter the Indian leadership with its show of strength. All the noise we are hearing now from India is just face-saving shittalk, much like how little thugs would shittalk as they back away from a fight to try to not look like a coward to their buddies.
The Quad has a chance of working, but not under Trump. Donald Trump is the same guy who wanted South Korean to pay for U.S. soldiers stationed there and Germany/other NATO countries to boost their defense budget higher than 2% of the GDP. He does not make any concessions while expecting the other party to do his biddings.
But don't all these countries (Germany, Japan and korea) all pay for this protection money as a "privilege" of having US troops on their soil? Lol
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