Ladakh Flash Point

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jimmyjames30x30

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I think the Quad will happen. Its the US's best, and last chance for containing China. If you really hate China, this makes perfect sense. The Quad could be renamed into something else if they try to drag in SK, Vietnam, and other states in the future.

India being a nuclear capable military power is a useful idiot to have in the Quad. No matter how incompetent India is, nukes do matter.

The Ladakh flash point is not going anytime soon. And India wants to settle a stupid score with China. So with Uncle Sam's invitation into the Quad, it's too good to refuse for the BJP idiots. Being in the same gang as first-world imperialist countries like USA, Japan, and Australia does gives a good dose of delusional 'prestige'. It worked very well with NATO in Eastern Europe even till this day.

Think about it in very simple terms. Foreign policies and geostrategy are like chess. Every move you make has implications. Think in terms of possible scenarios. The given is very simple and clear: China has a quarrels with India that goes decades back, (but India was traditionally quite friendly with Japan and USA), this is a fact.

Now, even if India was NOT in a Quad alliance with the other three, she will still take advantage of what they perceive as a dire situation for China. And China would be in a dilemma to try to let it go without provoking a war. This is because China want to focus on US and her two Allies. Starting a war with India will be diverting resources that doesn't serve the cause of countering the US, and at the same time ruin China's reputation. If US (and the other two) provokes, the only effective and proper counter would have to be right back at the US (and the other two).

However, If India goes into an alliance (Quad) with the US and the other two. This changes everything, because the US (and the other two) now has an obligation to fulfill the duty of the alliance agreement. This means that India would now become a liability of the US. Because after the formation of such alliance, China will have the extra option of attacking India as a way of retaliating against any provocation by the US (and the other two). What's worse, is that the US will have to divert resources to help India, if it falls into a bad situation with China. Should the Indian army not be able to withstand the attack of the PLAGF, the US and her other two allies/servants will have to sail far away from home into the Indian Ocean to fight PLAGF (think about the logistics and where the sea route would be located).

From China's Point of View, the Quad is the most desirable scenario, because once the Quad forms, all of China's military asset would become strategically highly useful again. PLAGF will no longer just be sitting at home watching the Navy and Air force duking it out with the USN, JP and AUS. PLAGF can join the fight too, AND it won't be on the motherland itself, AND it will be in a situation where their supply lines are much shorter and secure than that of the US, Japan ad Australia.

Of course, the US, Australia, and Japan could simply refuse to actually fulfill their alliance obligations. China wants to drag them into a land war on Indian soil, they could be cunny and refuse to take the bait. And so, they will ignore Indian's plights, and basically ruin their own reputations. When India lost hope in the other three, China will be swift to cease fire and steer Indian mindset to China's strategic intentions.
 

Nobonita Barua

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Why don't you just ask their air force? Half of their aircraft is operating by the Russian standard and the other half by the NATO standard ... you can only begin to imagine what type of data link and maintenance nightmare they must experience.
Shooting down their own NATO standard aircraft with their Russian Air defense system & vice versa :cool:
Still a better love story than Twilight :eek:
 

escobar

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Wonder when China will learn to use this instead of that 1500 years old grandpa dialogue "We firly oppose....resolutely condemn..."

"PRC Gov response : Quad is hurting the feelings of the Chinese people."

China Gov communication is still based on standard emotional appeals

China needs to use extensive psychological warfare to hurt the indians reminding them of their history & breaking them from within.
Words, if used correctly, can have very destructive consequences.

They can't.
 

escobar

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India being a nuclear capable military power is a useful idiot to have in the Quad.

It is rather this tendency which consists in qualifying as "useful idiot" or "lapdog" any country which associates with the US against China which is stupid. This shows a blindness to the reality of the internal dynamics in each country and It just shows that China is still a young player in the global governance game with little historical experience in diplomacy and still learning the ropes.

By this same logic, China itself is sometimes a "useful idiot" for US.
 

Nobonita Barua

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"PRC Gov response : Quad is hurting the feelings of the Chinese people."

China Gov communication is still based on standard emotional appeals



They can't.
I know. Even if the Martians invade Earth still They will be saying same thing "We firmly oppose..............."

That's why i said before, when it's come to PR stunt & posturing, they are totally hopeless. Even NoKo does it better :rolleyes:
 

Nobonita Barua

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It is rather this tendency which consists in qualifying as "useful idiot" or "lapdog" any country which associates with the US against China which is stupid. This shows a blindness to the reality of the internal dynamics in each country and It just shows that China is still a young player in the global governance game with little historical experience in diplomacy and still learning the ropes.

By this same logic, China itself is sometimes a "useful idiot" for US.
As? How? What kinds of internal dynamics?
No country is associating US with anything. I don't think any country has any interest or taste to do so.
It is US's desperation to run into everything or every problem which they neither have capability or cultural understanding to solve & make everything about themselves is what makes thing worse as it is now.
 

Sleepyjam

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It is rather this tendency which consists in qualifying as "useful idiot" or "lapdog" any country which associates with the US against China which is stupid. This shows a blindness to the reality of the internal dynamics in each country and It just shows that China is still a young player in the global governance game with little historical experience in diplomacy and still learning the ropes.

By this same logic, China itself is sometimes a "useful idiot" for US.
Lol so much historical experience with Trump at the helm, it does take an idiot to be played by him.
 
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