Ladakh Flash Point

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plawolf

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Well, you also need to consider the Indian Navy (backed by the USN and JMSDF) interdicting Chinese oil tankers in the India Ocean effectively cutting off China's maritime silk road under such two-front scenario.

Only idiot yahoos who have no idea of how the real world works makes such stupid ill informed boasts.

The way international trade works is like a giant conveyor belt. Ships transport what is available depending on whether it fits their schedule and route, and don’t care about nationality. Chinese tankers can carry crude to America or Europe while European tankers can carry crude to China, and they do so all the time.

As such, targeting Chinese flagged tankers would be rather meaningless as their cargo could belong to anyone and be heading to anywhere.

Even if you physically board a tanker, what are you going to find it’s not like you can easily tell where oil is from just by inspecting it (as in what a boarding team can realistically do) never mind where it’s going? You still have no idea where it’s ultimately going if it’s paperwork is fake. Not to mention the sheer volume of traffic making such attempts absolutely ridiculous.

The only way to effectively achieve a blockade is to limit all physical passage. Then you don’t need to care about identifying which ships are heading to your target and just focus on interdicting or sinking them.

There is only one place on Earth anyone can do that to blockade China without bringing global trade to a screeching halt, and that isn’t the Indian Ocean.

Hint, it’s where America has been sticking it’s not in since Obama’s time to shit stir and where China has invested significant resources to turn into a death trap for hostile naval forces for exactly this reason.

This is more Indian delusions of grandeur. If they are daft enough to go after commercial shipping in the Indian Ocean, the next thing they know, an international fleet from Europe, America, Russia and China would be off their shores blockading them.
 

jfy1155

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Didn't a report come out a couple weeks back that India attempted to buy winter clothing from Russia for its army and was rejected and then they tried to go to China, which also fell through once the Chinese government found out. This hardly looks like a prepared army to me.
Someone here mentioned about that.
 

Temstar

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Didn't a report come out a couple weeks back that India attempted to buy winter clothing from Russia for its army and was rejected and then they tried to go to China, which also fell through once the Chinese government found out. This hardly looks like a prepared army to me.
The deal with Russia was almost done until someone from India's side unwisely asked a question to Russian's face to the tune of something like "so are you sure all these winter clothing are COVID-19 free?"

The Russians were like "So I'm risking my relationship with China, making barely any profit in the process and now you're accusing me of spreading the virus? How about this, why don't you go fuck yourself?"

Then the deal was off.
 

KenC

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India is still being greatly affected by the Covid crisis, where daily cases topped 90,000. There aren't enough medical resources.
Also many people are without job and food. And with the winter arriving at the end of this month in Ladakh, more resources will be required.
No wonder the Indian side have change their tone somewhat.

But China is still preparing for worst case scenarios ...

India's foreign minister and defense minister both showed positive attitude to negotiations, and this could be regarded as a critical change in India's attitude since the crisis started in May, because they might now be aware that they can't get any compromise from China.

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Bill Blazo

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Oh please, stop playing with word games. Many here (including me) are native English speakers.

That quote proves absolutely nothing by itself, since I believe India is also trying to grab as much territory as it can. As I made clear in my question when I asked whether they're keeping the border conflicts going because they both believe they can continue making territorial gains. What you're doing is latching onto a single term ("aggressor") and trying to mischaracterize my entire argument with it. Not going to work. I think you've convinced yourself that I have some deep-seated anti-China bias, but without any evidence. I have no bone in this fight. I'm neither pro-China nor pro-India. I hope both sides can live in peace, but it's a military forum so we're talking about both.
 

plawolf

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That quote proves absolutely nothing by itself, since I believe India is also trying to grab as much territory as it can. As I made clear in my question when I asked whether they're keeping the border conflicts going because they both believe they can continue making territorial gains. What you're doing is latching onto a single term ("aggressor") and trying to mischaracterize my entire argument with it. Not going to work.

What you are doing is misrepresenting reactive countermeasures by China to Indian active moves as active moves by China, and then using that as the basis for asking a loaded question about Chinese strategic intentions.

China isn’t trying to ‘keep the boarder conflict’ going in order to provide a justification to grab land. That’s what India is doing. China is merely reacting to those Indian moves.

As such, it is not keeping the boarder dispute open and active, it is merely resisting Indian attempts at land grabs.

If India would stop trying to change the status quo on the ground, there would be no conflict. The boarder dispute will still remain as neither side wants to give up their claims, but that has been the case for decades. Tension and violence only flares up when the Indians get uppity and wants to try their luck.

If China wanted to take land or change the status quo through force of arms, it merely need to actually do so. India has already given China more than enough excuse to launch a 62 level operation if it wanted to take land by force of arms.

That’s the key difference between the tactical and strategic choices between Delhi and Beijing.

China knows it can settle the boarder dispute to its claim line using military force basically any time it wants. Hence why it doesn’t care to engage in petty salami slicing antics. India OTOH, knows that the only way it can gain any land is through low level salami slicing, where each encroachment is small enough to not warrant a full scale PLA military response, but if allowed to be done over long enough a period of time, will cumulatively add up to a fair amount of territorial gain.

India is constantly trying their luck with little salami slices until the PLA decides enough is enough and makes counter pushes. At which point India squeals like a stabbed pig and tries to draw all the world’s attention to the Chinese reaction as a means to trying to push pressure to force the PLA to stop because it knows full well it doesn’t have the military strength to make the PLA stop themselves.
 
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