I'm more worried that he might die before the election finishes.
Ladakh Flash Point
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plawolf
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It’s hilarious watching some of the mental gymnastics Indians are doing to try to discredit their own military’s map by claiming it is outdated.
You really need to marvel at the short sightedness and lack of critical thinking capabilities of Indians who made such silly claims.
So for the sake of argument, if we take their claims of that being an old map at face value, then all that would prove is that the Indians are the aggressors and have been pushing the LAC eastwards towards China.
It’s funny that in their desperation to spin a small tactical setback, they score an epic strategic level own goal by completely supporting what China has been saying all along that it is the Indians who are the aggressors with the endless petty salami slicing BS.
But I think all the focus on the LAC is actually missing the forest for the trees.
The LAC is only where it is today because of Chinese magnanimity after it utterly crushed the Indians in 62. Back then China would have drawn the LAC pretty much on China’s actual claim line or even beyond. But as an act of good faith, it pulled back not only to pre-hostility positions, but actually 10km further back.
And while the PLA has pretty much moved back to pre-hostility positions because of Indian probing, the fact remains that the LAC has zero historical basis and is just the place the Indian and Chinese militaries first ran into each other and thus stopped the other side from going any further.
That means that the LAC has zero historical or legal standing, and the PLA is not bound by anything (other than maybe informal agreements) to not go beyond the LAC all the way up to China claim line without invading India. All the PLA would be doing is evicting Indian squatters.
You really need to marvel at the short sightedness and lack of critical thinking capabilities of Indians who made such silly claims.
So for the sake of argument, if we take their claims of that being an old map at face value, then all that would prove is that the Indians are the aggressors and have been pushing the LAC eastwards towards China.
It’s funny that in their desperation to spin a small tactical setback, they score an epic strategic level own goal by completely supporting what China has been saying all along that it is the Indians who are the aggressors with the endless petty salami slicing BS.
But I think all the focus on the LAC is actually missing the forest for the trees.
The LAC is only where it is today because of Chinese magnanimity after it utterly crushed the Indians in 62. Back then China would have drawn the LAC pretty much on China’s actual claim line or even beyond. But as an act of good faith, it pulled back not only to pre-hostility positions, but actually 10km further back.
And while the PLA has pretty much moved back to pre-hostility positions because of Indian probing, the fact remains that the LAC has zero historical basis and is just the place the Indian and Chinese militaries first ran into each other and thus stopped the other side from going any further.
That means that the LAC has zero historical or legal standing, and the PLA is not bound by anything (other than maybe informal agreements) to not go beyond the LAC all the way up to China claim line without invading India. All the PLA would be doing is evicting Indian squatters.
China, at best, is a "newly-industrialized country" by GDP per capita. There are sectors of China that are roughly 5 years behind South Korea and Japan in terms of development (Jiangsu, Zhejiang) as well as sectors that are fairly comparable to the best of India (Gansu).
After you get past the 10k GDP per capita point, of course, the main issue isn't no longer absolute wealth but questions of social development; i.e, the Chinese are struggling to get R&D GDP past the 2.21% point when the US is at 2.7%, Japan is at 3%, South Korea is at 4.5%, and Israel is roughly at 4.9%.
That’s a spot on assessment. China doesn’t want to open a second front against India when Taiwan is a huge concern and India doesn’t want to open a second front against China when Pakistan/Kashmir is a huge concern.
You can never really be sure with India, they don't always act rational.
Like I said, you really don't know China at all!
All you can go by is using one metric for measurement the all encompassing GDP.
Newly industrialised countries (NICs). Give me a break, that term I haven't heard since my economics student days in the late 80s early 90s. China industries is fact more mature than you realised, and more advanced than the best of India got to offer.
As I said, we don't just use one metric for measurement in the well being and development of a country. There are things like infrastructure. How many miles of high speed rail has India have for example? And don't even go there for basic sanitories like toilets. So please don't go comparing best of India with Gansu. There is really no comparison.
Yes in places, China is behind Japan and south Korea, heck there are even behind Taiwan and Malaysia. So I'm not saying China has no more work to do to bring the 'backward' areas up to standards. But China knows that and it's working hard to achieve that. Unlike the country to the south of them! Who just dream of Super power status.
I take it you haven't travel far from where ever you are. My student group last year travel to Shanghai, and the lecturers that accompanied them come back and said to me, "I now totally get it"! "China is awsum, and its only going to be more awsum"!
Please just Google it for yourself, because I'm not going to start educating you as well as my students. Or you can stay in ignorance with your GDP of $10,000 middle income country crap!
At the final analysis, neither countries want this. But it isn't what the leaders want that's the problem.
Beijing I'm fairly confident didn't start this or wanting to prolong it. I also fairly confident it has its troop under full control.
India on the other hand. Well I'm fairly certain Modie doesn't want it either (But secretly hoping to spin a win out from it). But lack total control from all the nationalists under him. And the hot head ill-discipline sodiers. As demonstrated from the dead colonel' s antics.
You look at any tech in the world, you can find someone in China trying to replicate it and learn the knowledge behind it. They always manage to pull through eventually.
Once china is able to catch up, then it can focus all resources into developing new things.
The key challenge to GDP in China is to get people to leverage the new technologies to increase their productivity.
No more mules and buffalos and handmade things.
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On the other hand, looking at the Wikipedia
There are two good facts
1. Percentage-wise, China outperforms all comparable countries based on per-capita income e.g. Malaysia, Brazil, Thailand. They usually spend around 1-1.5%
2. Except for Belgium and Slovenia, all countries that outperform China R&D as a percentage of GDP are both very highly Industrial countries.
So cheer up, China already plays in the big boys' table.
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