Ladakh Flash Point

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siegecrossbow

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I looked into Indian side rumours on this and it is being shared (huge serving of salt!) that about a dozen IA soldiers killed along with an officer with between 20 to 30 IA captured this time with the confrontation site being south of Pangong Tso lake. No idea on PLA casualties/captured. Indian rumours are already inventing numbers of PLA losses. Looks like this conflict isn't over then. Maybe the CCP is prodding Modi for action. This site however does go up to China's claimed lines, while also obviously WELL within Indian claimed lines which go all the way up to Finger 8 and its immediate south.

Alleged site of confrontation on the map provided by this tweet.


No way is the PLA prodding for action. More likely the Indians are trying to get revenge for Galwan and got beaten back again.
 

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No way is the PLA prodding for action. More likely the Indians are trying to get revenge for Galwan and got beaten back again.
This, think about the strategic situation facing China currently, where's the focus? Certainly not the western theatre.

The only possible way that it's PLA prodding is Central Government calculates that due to their ballistic missile test there won't be any movement on SCS and Taiwan front for a while, so they want to drop the hammer on India as a "kill the chicken to warn the monkey" type exercise. But if that was the case I would've imagined PLA would move more troops to the western theatre than they are currently doing. Unless they have another ace up their sleeve.
 

duskseeker

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Constant Incursion in Pakistan's LOC and intrusions and murders in Bangladesh and Nepal. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the fault of India's undisciplined army. Hopefully no one got killed this time. They should kick India out of SCO and BRICS.
 

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Chinese troops never cross China-India LAC: Chinese FM

From Global Times:
Chinese FM on Monday said Chinese border troops have alway strictly observed the Line of Actual Control and have never crossed the line. The border troops of the two countries have been in communication over territory issues.
 

ougoah

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BTW the Indian shitspreading of yet more fake news and taking pictures out of context along with photoshopping gravestones is busted again.

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Not even close to Ladakh, where they are alleging the graves are. From 2018 article. I guess time travel has been conquered by DRDO super scientists.
 

Waqar Khan

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new reports of clash between Indian and Chinese troops south of Pangong Lake,somewhere closer to Chishul sector,stay tuned
 

Temstar

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BTW the Indian shitspreading of yet more fake news and taking pictures out of context along with photoshopping gravestones is busted again.

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Not even close to Ladakh, where they are alleging the graves are. From 2018 article. I guess time travel has been conquered by DRDO super scientists.
This is why fake news is dangerous - let it fester for long enough and you start to believe in your own bullshit. Let it spread even longer and you will start to make strategic mistake because of it. I'm starting to come around on the idea of the GFW as it's shaping up to an iron wall against this insidious threat.

Thankfully even though offensively China suck on this front unlike Russia, we have our dear Comrade Chang working tirelessly in the shadow for the motherland.
 

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No way is the PLA prodding for action. More likely the Indians are trying to get revenge for Galwan and got beaten back again.

Look at the terrain though. The Indian Army may be stupid, but it isn't suicidal. They wouldn't choose to engage the PLA at this location. It's a meat grinder. If this clash indeed took place here, then I think that China would have initiated it in some manner. The question is, why? And I think the answer is the following:

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This fits my original hypothesis from March/April. Ladakh was meant as a warning to India to not get involved with America's 'containment' strategy against China, threatening its sea lines of communication. India is not pushing the PLA back on the ground (because it can't) and is talking about de-escalation. However, strategically, they are continuing down the same path. I'm sure China already knew India wouldn't change course, which is why they never stopped building infrastructure.

I think the positioning here will continue. The PLA will keep building infrastructure and harassing the Indian positions. As Sawhney warned the Indian army, Pakistan will also increase pressure on the LOC, fixing the Indian formations in place and making sure they don't get transferred to the LAC. It's no coincidence that 4 hours ago, it was reported that an Indian soldier died on the LOC:

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The plan, it seems, is to keep increasing pressure on India and set up options for offensive operations that can be launched at any time. India will be pushed around now, for the foreseeable future, and the US will do nothing to help it. This is the ditch that India has dug itself into, and it's not going to be easy to climb out of it.
 
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ougoah

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This is why fake news is dangerous - let it fester for long enough and you start to believe in your own bullshit. Let it spread even longer and you will start to make strategic mistake because of it. I'm starting to come around on the idea of the GFW as it's shaping up to an iron wall against this insidious threat.

Thankfully even though offensively China suck on this front unlike Russia, we have our dear Comrade Chang working tirelessly in the shadow for the motherland.

Comrade Chang and Comrade Guo playing the morons like the Fox news audience and Bannon for what they are.

Oh well the least people can do is dig out the truth and show it where they can. At least the sensible folks and the academic ones are much more likely to evaluate things properly. The Bhakts are a lost cause.

In this case the photoshopping of the gravestone was most likely done by a Chinese person, probably FLG or CCP hater. They knew about the pictures from media reports in 2018 and they are obviously familiar with the opportunity. The bhakts just took anything and ran with it.
 
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ougoah

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Look at the terrain though. The Indian Army may be stupid, but it isn't suicidal. They wouldn't choose to engage the PLA at this location. It's a meat grinder. If this clash indeed took place here, then I think that China would have initiated it in some manner. The question is, why? And I think the answer is the following:

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This fits my original hypothesis from March/April. Ladakh was meant as a warning to India to not get involved with America's 'containment' strategy against China, threatening its sea lines of communication. India is not pushing the PLA back on the ground (because it can't) and is talking about de-escalation. However, strategically, they are continuing down the same path. I'm sure China already knew India wouldn't change course, which is why they never stopped building infrastructure.

I think the positioning here will continue. The PLA will keep building infrastructure and harassing the Indian positions. As Sawhney warned the Indian army, Pakistan will also increase pressure on the LOC, fixing the Indian formations in place and making sure they don't get transferred to the LAC. It's no coincidence that 4 hours ago, it was reported that an Indian soldier died on the LOC:

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The plan, it seems, is to keep increasing pressure on India and set up options for offensive operations that can be launched at any time. India will be pushed around now, for the foreseeable future, and the US will do nothing to help it. This is the ditch that India has dug itself into, and it's not going to be easy to climb out of it.

I think your comment on the strategic direction is spot on. The motivation for any confrontation started by PLA here (assumed) could potentially be attributed as a reaction to IN sending a warship to SCS. It's a slow escalation but the endpoints are already known by all now.
 
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