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India: we killed 30 of your guys because we must kill more than we lose even though we clearly won the fight by running away.
China: sure whatever you say.
India: China just confirmed 30 dead
Ladakh Flash Point
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China: sure whatever you say.
India: China just confirmed 30 dead
When the Indian ministry of defence released their first statement that 3 Indian soldiers died, the Indian news media instantly say 5 Chinese soldiers died. Hours later when the Indian ministry of defence released their second statement that 20 Indian soldiers died, the Indian news media instantly say 43 Chinese soldiers died.
And then they cannot confirm the 43 killed, they quoted US News saying the PLA 35 KIA, but there has yet been any confirmations from the U.S. side with regards to the 35 PLA KIAs. It's all speculations now amid the fog of war.
What about the 35 KIA from U.S. sources? Just from US News?
Feel free to find the original source and post it here
India, China Face Off in First Deadly Clash in Decades
Tensions between the two Asian powers are poised to escalate at a time of shifting influence in the region.
By , Senior Writer, National Security June 16, 2020, at 4:24 p.m.
DOZENS OF TROOPS FROM India and China were reportedly killed in a dispute along a contested area of their shared border – the first bloody clash between the two countries in decades and an event with the potential to spark even more violence.
Chinese state media described the incident Monday night in the Galwan River valley where both countries have deployed troops in recent weeks as "the most serious clash between Chinese and Indian soldiers so far," confirming casualties but offering no further details about them. Indian government sources speaking on the condition of anonymity told that 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.
American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.
The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.
According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.
The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.
Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.
The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.
In in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.
"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."
The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."
Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.
The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.
Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.
A lot of it sounds like conjecture.
I know The Times of India cited their source from an Indian news media ANI tweet. I don't know how credible is USNEWS but the other well known news media around the world did not say 35 or 43 Chinese soldiers died.
Here is the List of credible news media around the world reporting 20 Indian soldiers dead and nothing about 43 Chinese soldiers dead as Indians like to claim:
AP News, Reuters, Telegraph, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, BBC, CNN, Forbes, NPR News, Wall Street Journal, ABC News, Sky News, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, etc.
Western news sources only say that unconfirmed Indian media reports claim that X number of Chinese soldiers were casualties ... clearly they don't buy this nonsense either.
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