Ladakh Flash Point

twineedle said:

It is interesting to see how some members are posting Ajai Shukla articles, when he has been consistently proven wrong countless times throughout the past two months. Interestingly, his narrative not only contradicts undeniable evidence in the form of satellite imagery, but also China's claim that it was India that crossed the lac, not China. Currently, he is contradicting respected defense journalists such as Snehesh Alex Philip, Manu Pubby, Shiv Aroor, and even Western analysts such as Nathan Ruser, Taylor Fravel, and Jeff Smith. Bottom line is that both sides disengaged, although China appears to have withdrawn further according to the latest images. India will return to pre-April positions once it feels confident in Chinese intentions. Like I said, the process is ongoing, so it is premature for anyone to declare victory, but at the moment it seems like both sides are moving towards restoring status quo ante, which is exactly what India wanted.

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Hmm. But in this this case , we shouldn't take into account the number of failed "Satellite" expertise" attempt from Indians before. Last time i think it was some bombing in paki territory i thin, which killed 300 trillion terrorist i think according to satellite image "experts".
Oh the "expertise" also reminds me of the "irrefutable proof" by radar image from indian air crash force last year.
If i were you, i wouldn't waste 2 cent on indian expertise of any image,let alone radar/sat image to be honest.

Govt Misleads Media on China, Disengagement Reports Untrue, Army Spouting Doval's Line: Ajai Shukla

twineedle said:

Sad to see that some members are already resorting to personal abuse rather than respectfully disputing the evidence I posted.

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That's the funny part.
Because before letting other "respectfully disputing" it, this was you comment

twineedle said:

the disengagement progress is still ongoing, and it is too early to jump to any conclusions. However it is funny how some members here are so quick to declare victory for China, when it is clear that currently china has retreated the furthest, and India's infrastructure projects connecting DBO road are secure.

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If you have come to decision, then there is nothing to "respectfully dispute", don't you "respectfully" agree?
It seems your population is more competent fighting with internet than your airmy with weapons.


BTW , your "evidence" reminds me of the "irrefutable proof" last year. Don't you think your "expertise" should be taken at same level of your air crash force or lower. We can accept that your expertise is higher if you accept that Indian air crash force is more dumber than indians are.
Which one is it? I "respectfully" want to know.

Waqar Khan said:

These are selective satellite images to confused the Indian masses,Col Ajai Shukla is a real defence analyst..Shiv Aroor and company are RSS Sanghis, not defence analyst.

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This gives me flashbacks of dealing with Indians in the professional world. They pretend to be experts and bullshit/exaggerate their way into management and let Chinese do all the actual science.

Waqar Khan said:

Poor use of Google Translate,China does not use Liaison officers but Border Guards,the poor Chinese language used here shows that it was drafted by a poorly paid RAW troll,just to allow Godi Media to convince the hapless Indian public that Modi has a 56 inch chest

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What's with modi's obsession with his breast size? 56" is like a F cup... Either he is really fat or got silicon implants.

PiSigma said:

What's with modi's obsession with his breast size? 56" is like a F cup... Either he is really fat or got silicon implants.

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Do you moonlight as a structural engineer for womens undergarments ?

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When has the PLA or Chinese people "declared victory" Twinneedle? I think you're confused with the killing of 20 Indian soldiers. Killing doesn't equate to victory and while this forum has had members expressing confidence in PLA over Indian military, that also isn't a declaration of victory. Typical Indian method of putting words in other people's mouths and then fighting that. It's easy to defeat problems you've made up for yourself.

The Indians are such fans of satellite footage. What don't they get though? Those satellite pics are of positions WELL inside Indian claimed LAC. The confusion they have is the Chinese side claiming the Indians came into China... yes they went into Chinese claimed China. Is semantics all the Indians get tripped over by? Chinese claimed China just so happens to be well within Indian claimed India.

The current position can be summarised as; two steps foward one step back. Rather more appropriately 10 steps forward 1 step back for China. China has gone right up to its own claimed lines until the agreed 1km back off performed by BOTH sides. India has lost about half its original claims on the LAC. PLA moved back 1km as agreed AND IA moved back 1km as agreed. However this new buffer zone is right on the edge of Chinese claim lines which is halfway into Indian claim lines.

This is the macro picture of what's happened. Indians are being rather myopic when they're choosing selective satellite photos showing the very edge and buffer zone creation. What does that even say though? Well their narrative in their myopia is that China has "retreated" lol what a way to use words. Yes China I suppose has retreated in the sense that it went 10km at least into Indian claimed lands (of which China claims as part of the dispute in this region) and now BOTH sides have "retreated" 1km. So IA retreated 1km away from this buffer zone. That's also an accurate statement. But Indians should ask themselves where this buffer zone is? lol they'll get really fired up when they do.

Morons.

PLA has "retreated" 1km from 10km within Indian claimed territory.

IA has "retreated" 1km from half way line of where they have claimed is Indian territory since the 1962 war.

"Retreated" is Indian lingo for actions taken as per agreement.

Why did PLA agree to a 2km buffer zone with both sides mutually "retreating" 1km? Well because it has now taken half of what India claims!

You see this has everything to do with claim lines. Get a complete picture by looking at the maps and agreed borders and the dispute region. AND where this buffer is and where the confrontations are occuring. They are all at the edge of China's claims and halfway of India's claims. India claims the entirety of the dispute region along LAC while China claims to the half way lines roughly. Now PLA has just taken up to the half way lines without much challenge from IA and without response yet. Now both sides agreed to create a 2km stretch buffer so no more violence can occur. But this buffer is situated at the half way line where China claims anyway! What's so hard to get. Even Indian officials know and occasionally hint this is actually the case. They will be held accountable by Indian bhakts and nationalists if they reveal the depth of the territory loss.

So all those satellite footage is of the half way points where the new buffer is created AND both sides agreed to going back 1km from these contention points. Both sides not just China. Yet bhakts want to celebrate and actually claim victory all day long LOL! Unbelievably deluded and poor loser behaviour.

Not sure if dimwits can follow the simple facts pointed out nice. and. slowly. for all the emotionally charged morons out there.