Ladakh Flash Point

This is pretty official. It says "China will continue firmly safeguarding our territorial sovereignty".

Apparently "both sides welcomed the progress achieved in the recent military and diplomatic meetings" - the military one referred to is probably the latest third meeting which took place last week. No one knows what the conclusions on those meetings are. But the "consensus reached in the commander level talks between Chinese and Indian border troops, and complete disengagement of the frontline troops as soon as possible".

Whether this disengagement is referring to both sides agreeing on the newer LAC lines where PLA took finger 4 at Pangong and PP14 at Galwan and so Indian troops disengaging from those points and accepting new Chinese settlements or what is unknown. However there may be some degree of truth or varying degrees of misinterpretation to this by the Indians. All the details are undisclosed in typical CCP fashion. We'll have to wait for the independent journalists to give their take and wait for any further official statements. Indian media certainly to not be trusted at all it appears they've jumped the gun and made wild claims yet again.

So looks like Pravin's also found the genuine official statement from the CCP and is going to attempt explaining what he thinks the "dis-engagement" entails. Funny how Indian trolls and bhakts are all up in arms and being vile to everyone. Must still be heartbroken and sore about the loss and Modi surrendering.

- here's India's official reporting on diplomatic talks.

The rumours are India agreed to China's terms of disengagements and nobody knows what those terms are. China having been in the position where it's got India's nuts in a vice since May, would have been in dominating position on terms of disengagements. Wonder what India agreed to "paying". No one can argue sensibly that India was holding the nuts when it was China that was sitting on Indian claimed land the entire time, killed at least 20 Indians and handed back India up to 40 Indian army captives. So any agreement would have been favourable to China. If only we can know what India agreed to. But no doubt both sides will try to keep Modi's face saved since Modi's agreed to whatever terms China gave them.

Could the opposite be true? Well given how things are stacked, only a moron or bhakt could believe that the side which had over 100 casualties (India) and lost half of their claimed lands at both Pangong and Galwan, is in a position to negotiate favourable terms for itself. It's leader not even daring to utter the word "China" in his national addresses and blatantly lied that China is not in Indian land when everyone now agreed PLA has been and probably still is holding onto at least finger 4 and PP14. Well I guess he shifted the LAC back a bit just to make that statement work and I guess Indian claims are not Indian lands? somehow? who knows... bhakts have strange way of thinking. Quite a flexible bunch with words aren't they.

India may have agreed on China's claims. No need for PLA presence if India has officially settled these two disputed borders. Actually a big hooray and progress for both India and China if this is indeed what's happened. China's claims have always been to the halfway (finger 4 and PP14) while India's was for the entire opaque "LAC" zone that go up all the way to what both recognise as China's borders. China's claims being the more reasonable one since it's always been to half way line of the grey area, maybe India's finally taken these events to agree to settle this according to China's more reasonable demands. And it's NOT "all of Galwan" just what China's been claiming since before the Sino-Indian border war of 1962.

Now if these two borders are settled, PLA will no longer need to be occupying the very edges and could be moving back soon. Indian media will be making it sound like PLA has withdrawn troops because China got scared or something (forgetting the three months they've sat there waiting to fight Indians properly), and they will not be reporting on the truth of any agreements that have led to PLA leaving those edges.

Lot's of news and speculation on "dis-engagements" agreed to after diplomatic talks. Indians are going to go wild with imaginations as they usually do but China's going to be silent as usual. Won't get anything out of the real players just a lot of "anonymous sources" telling Indian media how PLA must've been shaking at the threat of Brahmos lol.

It should be noted that Indians who are questioning the bhakt BS narrative are attacked by the bhakts and called traitors and Cheeni puppets or something of that manner. There's no attempt at critically assessing things objectively. When the Indian made ventilators failed in their hospitals, the blame again was put on China even though those ventilators contained zero Chinese parts, were designed and manufactured in India by Indians. When a newly constructed Indian bridge collapses, the blame again you guessed it, China collaboration! lol... collaboration required on such a bridge?? Oh dear India's really sunk low these days.

ougoah said:

Now if these two borders are settled, PLA will no longer need to be occupying the very edges and could be moving back soon. Indian media will be making it sound like PLA has withdrawn troops because China got scared or something (forgetting the three months they've sat there waiting to fight Indians properly), and they will not be reporting on the truth of any agreements that have led to PLA leaving those edges.

Lot's of news and speculation on "dis-engagements" agreed to after diplomatic talks. Indians are going to go wild with imaginations as they usually do but China's going to be silent as usual. Won't get anything out of the real players just a lot of "anonymous sources" telling Indian media how PLA must've been shaking at the threat of Brahmos lol.

It should be noted that Indians who are questioning the bhakt BS narrative are attacked by the bhakts and called traitors and Cheeni puppets or something of that manner. There's no attempt at critically assessing things objectively. When the Indian made ventilators failed in their hospitals, the blame again was put on China even though those ventilators contained zero Chinese parts, were designed and manufactured in India by Indians. When a newly constructed Indian bridge collapses, the blame again you guessed it, China collaboration! lol... collaboration required on such a bridge?? Oh dear India's really sunk low these days.

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Swadeshi bridge.

Not trying not o jinx anything but does anyone remember how both sides agreed to disengage earlier this June and then the 15th happened.

siegecrossbow said:

Not trying not o jinx anything but does anyone remember how both sides agreed to disengage earlier this June and then the 15th happened.

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Agree. Not making any conclusions until we see actual evidence. India media jumps to conclusions like no tomorrow.

Petrolicious88 said:

Agree. Not making any conclusions until we see actual evidence. India media jumps to conclusions like no tomorrow.

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Tbh... I wouldn’t say Indian news jumps to conclusions that giving them too much of a benefit of the doubt, for the vast majority of cases it would be one of the following three or a combo of the three, they either outright lies, crazily sensationalise and exaggerates or extreme confirmation bias. I mean Western news is bad enough however, as least they do present facts the majority of the time, just the sensationalised and misrepresented version, but facts nonetheless.

Indian news present an assertion or a claim, then goes to great lengths to give you their opinion rather than actually talking about the facts of the assertion or claim, as if their opinion is itself the facts behind the assertion or claim. Before you refute, and I hate saying this again and again but ‘Pakistani trained terrorist locusts’ was an approved for airing assertion/claim an Indian news program, the fact that it was even entertained instead of being laughed out of the room was bad enough, but assertion was actually presented with seriousness. Those who have been following this incident since before the creation of this thread knows what I am talking about.

Agreement means nothing. Just a matter of time before guess who inching back again.

siegecrossbow said:

Not trying not o jinx anything but does anyone remember how both sides agreed to disengage earlier this June and then the 15th happened.

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Well that is a big part of why I think the dead colonel went rouge.

It may have also been a big factor in how India lost so many men to the elements, and why the Indian government has been so short on details as to what actually happened.

It seems more plausible that rather than sheer incompetence, Indian high command forbid any search and rescue operation until they managed to square things away with China and managed to convince to China’s satisfaction that the sudden massive escalation in violence was the result of a rouge actor and not deliberate Indian policy. Fearing that after the rouge action by the colonel, a big search and rescue operation for the missing men might be interpreted by the PLA as further signs of treachery and trigger a full PLA counter offensive.