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Abominable

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I think India is done as any counterweight to China as Galwan clash was a spectacular military failure with long term political repercussions for India.Have you noted that AUKUS began shortly after this clash as US realizes what a liability corrupt,inept and cowardly India is and India's hope of endless US money ,military aid and open immigration has ended.Also US has noted Modi's incompetence in dealing with Covid19 crisis and now the US has moved on and India has shown her true evil heart toward China-there is no basis for any rapprochement let alone any meaningful political settlement of border issues.Also India has now initiated a cold war with China and that issue will be settled after Taiwan.
America was pretty neutral in the aftermath of the Galwan clash, as was NATO as a whole. China is perceived as an enemy by the US, but India is considered a loose canon.

A Indian-US alliance will only happen if India agrees to a number of US demands. The main will be to adhere to full economic sanctions on Iran. India is one of the biggest importers of Iranian oil and that's a massive thorn to America. The second would be to stop imports of Russian military hardware - again India is Russia's biggest importer. They'd also want some multibillion dollar contracts for the MIC.
 

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Chinese Foreign Minister Mr. Wang Yi visiting India tomorrow, as the latter is likely seeking a strategic shift from America in the light of sanctions imposed on Russian oil and gas export.
one can only marvel at Chinese wisdom in not whipping up Indian animosity towards China by humiliating India unnecessarily.
Hats off to Beijing policymakers. By withholding many videos of the capture of the Indian soldiers and officers, China has kept the conflict under control while having the upper hand, making this visit by Mr. Wang possible.
Chinese restraint and patience are bearing fruits. Good for China and India. May peace prevail.
 

ThomX

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Chinese Foreign Minister Mr. Wang Yi visiting India tomorrow, as the latter is likely seeking a strategic shift from America in the light of sanctions imposed on Russian oil and gas export.
one can only marvel at Chinese wisdom in not whipping up Indian animosity towards China by humiliating India unnecessarily.
Hats off to Beijing policymakers. By withholding many videos of the capture of the Indian soldiers and officers, China has kept the conflict under control while having the upper hand, making this visit by Mr. Wang possible.
Chinese restraint and patience are bearing fruits. Good for China and India. May peace prevail.
It's because Beijing has always regarded New Dehli as a victim of western imperilism, that all these conflicts between China and India are the result of Britain.
The last thing Beijing wants to see is India becoming a western hemisphere's lapdog, which, unfortunately, happened a lot of time since 1960s, but China never fanned up hatred in the national level. Now that Russia-Ukraine war has clearly shown the western's ugly faces, India should have known they've been fooled for decades.
Same thing happened to Vietnam, we now maintain a good relationship with Viet Communist because we never escalated that warfare in 1980s. We were only defend ourselves, not invading anyone. On the contrary, China, SEA and South Asia should gather together against western narrative.
 

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The West would need to be a lot more actively hostile to India before India would even consider shifting to being neutral from the West, let alone aligned with China against the West.
Western hostility to India is an inevitable outcome of the Ukraine war. Countries are being pushed to cut oil and gas imports to Russia,
while India gives $20 billion a year to the Russian military. Any country that buys military equipment from Russia is going to become isolated soon adn they will be VERY unhappy with India doing that going forwards.
India's military purchases from Russia over the past few years have been trending upwards as well. I think they will be forced to limit this and cut imports from Russia to a bare minimum.

At this point it's very difficult for India to severe the military ties it has to Russia. They have spend tens of billions of dollars on them. It would take 10-20 years to integrate western equivalents. Can they even afford it? What do they do with their carrier for example? Even if America offers like for like replacements for free, can India even afford the increased maintenance costs of that? Not to mention while they are swapping over Pakistan could just attack them.

The only option India has in my opinion is to make peace with China and be prepared to make some territorial concessions in return for an informal alliance between Russia, India and China. Knowing how delusional Indians are I don't think they will do this, and I think the most likely outcome is an India that has poor relations with both America and China.
 

twineedle

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Western hostility to India is an inevitable outcome of the Ukraine war. Countries are being pushed to cut oil and gas imports to Russia,
while India gives $20 billion a year to the Russian military. Any country that buys military equipment from Russia is going to become isolated soon adn they will be VERY unhappy with India doing that going forwards.
India's military purchases from Russia over the past few years have been trending upwards as well. I think they will be forced to limit this and cut imports from Russia to a bare minimum.

At this point it's very difficult for India to severe the military ties it has to Russia. They have spend tens of billions of dollars on them. It would take 10-20 years to integrate western equivalents. Can they even afford it? What do they do with their carrier for example? Even if America offers like for like replacements for free, can India even afford the increased maintenance costs of that? Not to mention while they are swapping over Pakistan could just attack them.

The only option India has in my opinion is to make peace with China and be prepared to make some territorial concessions in return for an informal alliance between Russia, India and China. Knowing how delusional Indians are I don't think they will do this, and I think the most likely outcome is an India that has poor relations with both America and China.
What specific territorial concessions do you think India should make?
 
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