No serious doctor has confidently claimed any coronavirus vaccine is likely to be totally successful and without issues or side-effects even if they can be developed by next year. India is going quad or whatever alternative/s to quad no matter what happened between 2017 and June 2020. They blundered however by making all this too clear to CCP. Making their intentions clear enough, combined with 2017 to 2019 LAC and BRI threats and provocations by India, has made it clear to the CCP that any bold moves like the ones made between April and June, are called for, necessary, and will actually kind of be expected by India. And look. They are moving as if they're in the wrong. They're the ones backing off because they know that 1. they provoked action from CCP for reasons listed in this thread in the past and 2. they're not in a position to go kinetic first. Just depends how far the PLA go now. I think the PLA will contain their own advances and limit it to this major win but like I said earlier today, China is far more interested in SCS and Taiwan sovereignty issues and the wealth and productivity that comes with those, than it is with a stretch of rocks between China and India. So China's happy to settle this issue with India now as things stand in China's favour, and continue its old game of slowly raising its population out of non-productivity.
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No serious doctor has confidently claimed any coronavirus vaccine is likely to be totally successful and without issues or side-effects even if they can be developed by next year. India is going quad or whatever alternative/s to quad no matter what happened between 2017 and June 2020. They blundered however by making all this too clear to CCP. Making their intentions clear enough, combined with 2017 to 2019 LAC and BRI threats and provocations by India, has made it clear to the CCP that any bold moves like the ones made between April and June, are called for, necessary, and will actually kind of be expected by India. And look. They are moving as if they're in the wrong. They're the ones backing off because they know that 1. they provoked action from CCP for reasons listed in this thread in the past and 2. they're not in a position to go kinetic first. Just depends how far the PLA go now. I think the PLA will contain their own advances and limit it to this major win but like I said earlier today, China is far more interested in SCS and Taiwan sovereignty issues and the wealth and productivity that comes with those, than it is with a stretch of rocks between China and India. So China's happy to settle this issue with India now as things stand in China's favour, and continue its old game of slowly raising its population out of non-productivity.
The big problem with India is that it's a democracy; i.e, what the voters think matter more than what the policy elites think and the policy elites can manipulate the voters as well. The average Indian thinks they're in the right, and that China mercilessly, in a shameless act of aggression, killed 20 Jawans at the border.
Modi might be willing to discuss terms and negotiate, but if China can't really threaten India, the Indians can be aggressive as they like, and if his political position is weak, he can't give the Chinese any concessions even if he wanted to.
I think I've mentioned before that the Indian mentality is that they're willing to swim waist-deep in cow dung as long as they can have a mythology of India shining. They're not like the Chinese, for which development is central to their nationalism, the Indians only need to give a bloody nose to the Pakistanis or the Chinese and they're happy.
Put another way, the Chinese ruined the Vietnamese, in particular their northern provinces, with their constant threats and border incursions in the decade 1979-1992. The Vietnamese, on the other hand, didn't care, as long as Daddy Soviet was willing to pay for their war.
It's like the Americans wondering why the Iraqis, the Afghanis, or the Vietnamese fought back, when the United States was the world's premier military and economic power and could turn their countries into irradiated craters. The force disparity doesn't matter unless you have the willingness to use it.
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If it were simply a matter of India and China, hell, China could even attempt a full scale invasion, taking a year or two to prepare the force on the border. However, India can always run to the arms of the United States, and they wouldn't care.
Remember, India was a British colony for 100 years, and while they still have their pride, unlike the Filipinos, the Indians maintain a colonized mentality. They are willing to be #2 or a lapdog as long as they get to kick #3, which they think is China.
Make the Tibet-Kashmir comparison and you'll piss off both sides as much as if you made a Tibet-Gaza comparison to the Israelis.
I have always been sympathetic to comparisons between India to Kashmir and China to Tibet. The problem with making this comparison relevant here is that it's simply irrelevant. CCP's objection to India's revoking of article 370 is one part of its many issues with India but it doesn't lie with how the CCP feels about Kashmiri people. It has to do with how India is daring in its unilateral moves. It symbolises its willingness to escalate from Doklam's confrontation and this daring needs to be checked by China somehow. Revoking 370 is only a tiny piece of the puzzle.
I think people may have misinterpreted China's displeasure in India's revoking of art. 370 because they've confused Pakistan and China's alliance and Pakistan's issue with art. 370 with China's. The only commonality here is that India has acted against China's main regional ally and this ought to provoke some reaction from China. It's not about sentimental feelings and morality.
I think people may have misinterpreted China's displeasure in India's revoking of art. 370 because they've confused Pakistan and China's alliance and Pakistan's issue with art. 370 with China's. The only commonality here is that India has acted against China's main regional ally and this ought to provoke some reaction from China. It's not about sentimental feelings and morality.
If there is a real China - India war, it won't be isolated to these parties.
The Pakistan Army and the Kashmir Valley will be a huge factor.
If you look at the forces, a combination of Pakistan and China can obtain air superiority over Kashmir. And what happens to the land armies when an opponent controls the air?
Look at how the armies disintegrated in Iraq or Kosovo or Afghanistan.
Plus geography and the location/size of the Pakistan Army means they will be doing the heavy lifting on Kashmir.
So China will be continuing its foreign non-interference doctrine, because Kashmir is a Pakistan - India dispute.
I know. That's why I start with why The Unites States that is NOT OF AMERICA call themselves American or white Australians are sitting on Aboroginia . Some also need to remind me how Guam, Hawaii, New Mexico became part of US not of A.
As i said, to play that card you need to come clean. You can't. So both can play that game.
Nobody really gives a damn f**k about Kashmir,Xinjiang,Siberia, Tibet or whatever ,but they are p!ssed with US not of A . What matters is, there has not been a single day when people of current generation didn't wake up reading U.S not of A creating trouble elsewhere. That's how they are going to remember it. No body cares about what ancient china did in it's border. What everyone wonders is, what US not of A doing in SCS, MENA. They even came here during bill Clinton to ask for democratic base in saint martin . If you don't believe me, you should interact with people on the ground.
So before you get started with history, you should know that, most of the time peoples yawwwwnnnn reading these.
The "pissing off" comparison game can be played by two.
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Its same channel that has been talking about economic "punishment" of china. Nepalis are very much irritated by India. Government doesn't really matter. I wouldn't link China with any government there, like the situation here.
I'm curious as to why you think a Congress government would be more nationalist and more vicious than the BJP?
Congress is a much broader coalition inside India, which generally means more tolerance and moderation in its policies.
The BJP/RSS stand for the ethno-religious supremacy of Hindu Aryans over everyone else.
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As for the QUAD, I think China has made it plain to India that a real anti-China alliance would trigger an actual war.
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And the latent Sinophobia in India was always there - having been nurtured for over 50 years since the 1962 war.
There is always a lot of nationalistic bluster from India, but deep down, I think there is a deep insecurity in Indians.
I attribute that to:
1. The military defeat in the 1962 China-India war.
2. How communist China has surpassed democratic India in every realm. What does that say about India?
3. How Indians realise that they aren't really a single unified country, but actually 32 separate countries joined together, with so many differences in race/religion/caste/language
4. A legacy inferiority complex, because India was a colonial possession AND India was never a single unified entity until the British created the modern Indian state. So how come Indians didn't manage to do this themselves?
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