Ladakh Flash Point

longmarch said:

Look at the words you chose:
Disaster
Permanently
Soon
Biggest

Then potential and eventually.

That's really how YOU think.

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Yes to mirror that sort of moronic logic, India then has also committed an even greater strategic disaster. It has permanently made itself an enemy of a nation which could have potentially partnered with it in developing its own industries as it inevitably spends and invests its growing middle class expendable income much like the west had in the 60s to now. The western outflows and investments have declined and while they still have an appetite for inexpensive consumerables, India is nowhere near the point of delivering all of those. Not barely even able to deliver on some of those yet.

Once Chinese investments are banned and pulled out, India is free to dwell in the same slum and slump its proven to be in for the last 80 years. What a strategic blunder of epic proportion. It's also totally lost 5% of its annual income and THE world's current biggest market and the one that actually has the funds and capital to buy things. India's got headcount but the rest of its metrics are in the sewers... wait sorry, I mean on the street level. Sewers haven't reached many parts of India yet.

Shit I think my satirical rebuttal makes far more sense and is actually grounded in facts and reality. In other Indian news, 500 pieces of Brahmos missiles have defeated China, a nation with tens of thousands of offensive missiles.

timepass said:

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Aren't they supposed to be injured by nail-studded clubs? Amazingly not a single sign of any scratch or injury on anyone.

zyun8288 said:

I have a question to fellow Indian members.

From what I gathered by reading Indian news media and web forums, India have achieved a major victory against China in the last 1-2 months already. Ok, India lost 20 lives, but they have killed several times more Chinese.

So why Indians, including Modi, keep on behaving like a deeply wounded victim? Come on, China has lost far more. India should be celebrating this biggest victory against China.

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In this Ladakh incident :
(1) India thinks it emerged victorious.
(2) China thinks it is not the loser.
(3) I don't think the difference above can be bridged and they need not be bridged.
(4) Think of it as a non-zero sum game - both parties can walk away happy.

gadgetcool5 said:

Strategic disaster for China. It has permanently lost what will soon be the world's biggest market (in terms of potential consumers, and yes India will eventually grow) and jump-started its competitors. This is historic. This alone dwarfs anything related to actual Ladakh.

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Oh, permanently! How terrifying a word! Germany and France fought in WWII, and now they are permanently locked out of each other's markets! Another strategic disaster! The US fought for independence from the British and now they are permanently enemies, what a strategic disaster for the US! Better yet, remember how China beat India's ass in 1962 and from there, relations were permanently frozen and Chinese goods permanently lost the Indian market? I don't. LOLOL

In actuality, today, India's market is not large, with little near term potential to grow, and Indian R&D is never proven its worth. By the time India can figure out how to grow into a significant force, China will have already become the world's most powerful nation, and India will have no choice but embrace that. By then, this event will be long dead and buried in history... but China will keep the territorial gains it took in Ladakh. Strategic gain for China... given to us by an India falling for an American trick.

If you look at the goodwills from China over the years:
- Accept India into Shanghai cooperation organization
- Give India a big say in Asia Infrastructure Bank
- big loans and cheap equipment to build India's infrastructure
- investment in India's economy

India is also a major beneficiary of IMF's quota reform, mainly because of China's strong performance during the financial meltdown.

All these goodwills were interpreted by India as entitlement or even sign of weakness. Donglang incident happened just a few days after India officially became a member of SCO. That gotta be some kind of a joke.

India doesn't hide it's ill intention, yet somehow resent China's reservation, e.g.blocking India's entry into nuclear organization.

India super nationalists have this mentality paradox that they are superior to other people, but willingfully look up to Western powers especially United States.

People often say Indians are delusional.Yes they are. But at the same time, they have always been able to take advantage of China. It only took things like 1962, i.e. ful scale war or threat of full scale war to make them think twice.

It seems like India is in this no-lose situation. They have world war one mentality that territorial gain is above everything else and keep pushing. If they gain, they win. If they got humiliated, stir up domestic politics and a win for those in power. Even economic gain like some fancied.

I mean they make emergent military equipment purchase every time facing major escalation, yet keep boasting how capable they are.

Will things always go their way? That's the question.

Well India was bragging about how the LCA program will give them a super fighter and how the J-10 will never take off in the 90s. Look where things are now. Words from these guys are cheaper than dirt.

Erm guys, I'm not sure if a new thread should be made or not for this. But I just saw this. China's pushing the border dispute in Bhutan. Do you think they're trying to clean up their remaining two land disputes in one swoop? Can anyone verify if this is actually happening? Not sure how reliable Indian media is.

SoupDumplings said:

Erm guys, I'm not sure if a new thread should be made or not for this. But I just saw this. China's pushing the border dispute in Bhutan. Do you think they're trying to clean up their remaining two land disputes in one swoop? Can anyone verify if this is actually happening? Not sure how reliable Indian media is.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1279737110023585794

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Last week Indian news media was spreading fake news about China occupying Nepal's territory. They are trying to create tensions and hate between China and Nepal.

I ran across this video recently and was surprised by two assertions.

1) India does not have vehicles that are acclimated to high altitude combat (basically engines run at far lower capacity with less oxygen).
2) India did not properly calibrate its small arms/artillery for high altitude combat.

Are those assertions still true as of 2020?

gadgetcool5 said:

Strategic disaster for China. It has permanently lost what will soon be the world's biggest market (in terms of potential consumers, and yes India will eventually grow) and jump-started its competitors. This is historic. This alone dwarfs anything related to actual Ladakh.

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What are you smoking

China is the world's biggest market, not counting themselves, the world's biggest market is USA. India doesn't really come close.

India might eventually grow... At what? 5% GDP? Anyways that's in the far future and not the present.