Ladakh Flash Point

Rustom said:

Sounds very rosy from chinese perspective, but it can be other way round. More Chinese soldiers died in Galwan, and CCP is scared to admit and even honor its fallen soldiers . Same story with its propaganda on admitting real Corona numbers . No country in the world trusts CCP.

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If the Chinese troops did worse as you suggested, they should suffer more death, more injured and more captured than the Indians. I understand that you don’t trust the Chinese version of the story. Then the only verifiable statistics is the number of captured PLA. So have the Indians released the number of captured PLA? They’ve given out so many claims on how many PLA soldiers were killed. Why don’t they simply tell the world how many PLA they’ve captured? Show some photos of the PLA in captivity. The most convincing evidence ever. This is a much easier way to calm down their people than banning chinese apps and boycotting Chinese goods, while hurting their own economy.

I am hearing two versions on the PLA casualties on the Galwan June 15 clash. One source stated 2 PLA soldiers died after a week in intensive care (also claims 47 Indian soldiers were killed) while a couple other sources, including SCMP, stated that no PLA soldiers died and suffered only light injuries. Have we reached a conclusion on which version is correct?

Figaro said:

I am hearing two versions on the PLA casualties on the Galwan June 15 clash. One source stated 2 PLA soldiers died after a week in intensive care (also claims 47 Indian soldiers were killed) while a couple other sources, including SCMP, stated that no PLA soldiers died and suffered only light injuries. Have we reached a conclusion on which version is correct?

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We’ll know in twenty years.

The iPhone SE will be Made in India.

This will further develop India's manufacturing and supply chains all the way down the line, just like it did in China. I wouldn't underestimate India.

Living in the U.S., I know and have worked with many Indians on a personal level. Politics aside, they are extremely nice and friendly people, even though there is tension between China and India, they never let the fact that I am Chinese get in the way of friendships. They always welcome me into their celebrations, weddings, dinners, and etc.

I work in the IT sector and I can tell you they are very capable. Indian contracting companies like InfoSys are hugely successful in the U.S., and many U.S. companies outsource their IT to India. Personally all the Indians I have worked with have generally been intelligent and hardworking. But don't take my word for it. Just look at how many Indians CEOs there are for top US companies (Microsoft, Google, IBM, Adobe), and they aren't alone. Even in the smaller companies you see many Indians in management. There is no affirmative action for Asians in the U.S. I think a lot of Chinese in China who don't know Indians look down on them, as if they are inferior, but that's not true. They are just as capable as anyone else. The Chinese are underestimating India.

Indian Americans are fine.

So why is India so poorly managed? What is the root of why India didn't become a China despite everything going for it?


Foreign born Indians couldn't give less shit about Ladakh.

gadgetcool5 said:

The iPhone SE will be Made in India.

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This will further develop India's manufacturing and supply chains all the way down the line, just like it did in China. I wouldn't underestimate India.

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SE is actually those cheap versions. I thought they decided to assemble flagship there

gadgetcool5 said:

they are extremely nice and friendly people

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Thats the problem. As i have mentioned before, knowing Indians are messy process.
I have been to different countries ,including several times in india as one of my SIL is from West Bengal(mostly because i have had access to high level people, army chief,minister, ambassador level). I have met people from different countries. And let me tell you one thing. I have not met people from another single country that has people with such differences in every category i have seen among Indians.
Indians you find in west or any other country outside their own country are extremely friendly,nice. Don't mistake them for people back in home, which majority in world does. In fact i have seen indians more westernized than the western themselves in both india & outside india. For examples, indian girls, compared to their boy counterpart(who are mostly on fat short part), set the benchmark for woman culture here. I can tell you about my own country & i have seem other south asian girls too try to follow indian girls when it comes to different fashion or style sense.
You change their skin,hair color & you will never know if they are actually indian, they will fit anywhere . They are good at consuming other cultures, and that's where the collusion course is with the people back in home.
As for as Indians being CEO, they are extremely good at doing what they are told. Another fact is that, people from other rich countries/strategic competitors, who go to U.S come back eventually unlike indians who decide to live their whole life. Countries like SoKo ,Japan, EU countries don't send their top class people abroad like indians do. So the competition field isn't exactly equal here.

Jeez Iphones have been assembled in China for over a decade and continue to have heaps of components made in China. India is about to receive some Iphone assembly contracts and immediately some people are talking like they've got their own smartphone design, research, development, and manufacturing already. This isn't just counting your chickens before they hatch anymore lol.

Who knows what India's future really holds. If the CEO argument is proof of anything, there are also plenty of Chinese Americans working in American tech, research labs, CEOs and founders of tech companies (not just a glorified MBAed manager in a CEO). The proof is in the pudding, India had a lot going for it and is nowhere on the world stage even with international cooperation, charity, funding, vast population, vast diaspora, more established infrastructure (back when the Brits gave India independence)... at least compared to a young PRC it did.

With CEOs there's the Google one and maybe a handful of good examples. With Chinese American CEOs and founders current and past there is nvidia, amd, youtube as good examples and many more I'm sure. So what? You don't hear Chinese bragging about this like ALL Chinese people are geniuses or something. NASA hires plenty of Chinese American engineers too. Probably more than Indians lol.

I've also worked with Indians and Indian companies. Some of the guys are ridiculously arrogant and at the same time, rather incompetent. Sure most are friendly enough like just about everyone else though! Are Chinese not friendly during business either? Or anyone for that matter?

Indian firms I've worked with have been disastrous. I've also had negative experiences with some Chinese ones but most of them have been fair. The Indians promise 100 and deliver 10 and make you feel privileged you received 10. It angers a lot of people and friendly gestures and kind tones don't make up for it.

LKY






We shall see how right/wrong this man is in a decade or two.