Ladakh Flash Point

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Kakyan

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So that means, the LAC is more like this?

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Credit to leegun hamlet who uploaded it under Google map location reviews.

Double damn. If true, India ln LAC is pushed back further than thought.

Good find, @Kakyan
That is the Chinese claim line.
Buffer zone is from Chinese claim line till Indian claim line (around 400m further inside from bend) plus some extra area for cushion on both sides so a total length of 2.8.

Any this line showed India penetrated deep inside Chinese claim line. In Feb China finally admitted India built tents at the bend.

Anyways now in Galwan there is no Chinese presence on Indian side of claim line and no Indian presence on Chinese side of claim line.
 
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Xizor

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That is the Chinese claim line.
Buffer zone is from Chinese claim line till Indian claim line (around 400m further inside from bend) plus some extra area for cushion on both sides so a total length of 2.8.

Any this line showed India penetrated deep inside Chinese claim line. In Feb China finally admitted India built tents at the bend

The buffer zone, as acknowledged officially is 1.5 km equidistant from the LAC.

As to where that LAC is - its commonly known to be at the bend. As indicated by the map.

The region you claim that Chinese conducted a ceremony is just 1.7 km from the bend.

The closest Indian military camp is 2.25 km from the bend.(AFAIK)

India did violate the LAC and led to Galwan clash, didn't it? Good to know that.


FYI, China now claims entirety of Galwan. Maybe it's to show that with each violation by India, China shall push its claims.
 

Kakyan

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The buffer zone, as acknowledged officially is 1.5 km equidistant from the LAC.

As to where that LAC is - its commonly known to be at the bend. As indicated by the map.

The region you claim that Chinese conducted a ceremony is just 1.7 km from the bend.

The closest Indian military camp is 2.25 km from the bend.

India did violate the LAC and led to Galwan clash, didn't it? Good to know that.


FYI, China now claims entirety of Galwan. Maybe it's to show that with each violation by India, China shall push its claims.
Yes it is about 1.4 km on each side of bend but is not measured a striaght line but as the distance travelled on foot.
The Chinese ceremony was outside buffer zone which means PLA did not have courage to enter buffer zone. Both China and India can keep upto 70-80 troops each upto 3 km from Y junction
 

Xizor

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Yes it is about 1.4 km on each side of bend but is not measured a striaght line but as the distance travelled on foot.
The Chinese ceremony was outside buffer zone which means PLA did not have courage to enter buffer zone. Both China and India can keep upto 70-80 troops each upto 3 km from Y junction
Its 1.5 km on each side of buffer zone. Where did you get the 1.4 part?

I calculated both the straight line as well as distance traveled by foot.
1.17 km and 1.20 km
The distance on ground was calculated.
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I don't know about you, but for most of us on planet earth 1.20 is less than 1.50.

I'm going to ignore your "PLA doesn't have courage.." part. I've no intention of engaging in Jai Hind level exchange here. It's not even worth it.
 
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Xizor

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Just noticed that I had a typo -
The region you claim that Chinese conducted a ceremony is just 1.7 km from the bend.
The distance is 1.17 km not 1.7 km. I have supplied the maps drawing out the distance.

Indian camp is 2.25 km away from the bend.
Chinese "ceremony" position is 1.17 km/1.20 away from the bend.
 

Mohsin77

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The Chinese ceremony was outside buffer zone which means....

Oh snap, Kaka is back. Any progress on that Indian 'blitzkrieg' yet? I'm still waiting.

By the way, you should be more concerned about the long-term infrastructure that the PLAAF/PLA is building on your doorstep, instead of some random ceremony at whatever XY junction. Even your American "allies" think that it's already too late for you:

"The unavoidable strategic implication of the buildup, of course, is a significant expansion of China’s anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) bubble along the entire stretch of its western border. As Chinese capabilities in this area grow, it will become more difficult for India or other neighboring nations to attempt to match its pace and maintain anything resembling a balance of power in the region."

As for your google maps screenshots, they're very cute, but here's some actual SATINT that may concern you:

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Xizor

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Oh snap, Kaka is back. Any progress on that Indian 'blitzkrieg' yet? I'm still waiting.

By the way, you should be more concerned about the long-term infrastructure that the PLAAF/PLA is building on your doorstep, instead of some random ceremony at whatever XY junction. Even your American "allies" think that it's already too late for you:



As for your google maps screenshots, they're very cute, but here's some actual SATINT that may concern you:

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Can you imagine the situation if all this buildup was on Indian side of the border, undertook by the Indian Air Force?

Imagine the chest thumping.
Imagine the boasts.
Imagine the proclamations of Aryan superiority.
 

ougoah

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Yes it is about 1.4 km on each side of bend but is not measured a striaght line but as the distance travelled on foot.
The Chinese ceremony was outside buffer zone which means PLA did not have courage to enter buffer zone. Both China and India can keep upto 70-80 troops each upto 3 km from Y junction

Yes that's what a buffer zone is. The important point for you to understand is that India tried to take the entire land and got repelled. China won the 80% of the dispute correct? You can't deny those facts. The remaining 20% India tried to take and did not succeed.

China demanded a buffer zone in exchange for PLA disengagement. India capitulated for Pangong. Rest is under standoff.

PLA have no courage to enter buffer zone? That's like saying the entire India has no courage to enter Tibet or China. Weaklings. lol what a stupid statement to make.

PLA observes buffer zone because the buffer zone was a Chinese demand. Something India chooses to take or not (it has for Pangong but hasn't yet for rest of 20%). Why would PLA violate China's own terms? lol
 

ougoah

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Can you imagine the situation if all this buildup was on Indian side of the border, undertook by the Indian Air Force?

Imagine the chest thumping.
Imagine the boasts.
Imagine the proclamations of Aryan superiority.

Indian leaders quietly (and eventually) realised that their sneak move onto 20% in early 2020 (thinking pandemic would devastate China) was responded to and responded to harsher than they planned. They then had the choice to standoff and buy time, fight a war, or re-organise their strategy.

First it was all "China is going to get ruined by covid hahahahahaha sucked in China!" to "ohh my... how dare these CCP release virus on us and only give us two months warning" btw when US and UK gave no one warning of new strains and covid spreading in Europe and US at least in early 2019. Absolute snakes always changing the tune according to the situation. So many rounds of we have defeated China only to have the truth eventually revealed and proven beyond doubt. The last refuge of broken Jai Hind egos was in making up stories of 100+ PLA deaths ... Jai Hind weaklings killing 12 PLA soldiers singlehandedly when IA soldiers were proven and photographed to have been tied up in their dozens. I'm sure the PLA has GB worth of photos and videos of "tea is fantashtik" in case Jai Hind fake news machines start convincing important people.

The problem is they have decided to only agree to China's terms for Pangong and now that high profile humiliation is removed, Modi has less political need to agree with China elsewhere. China has no interest in fighting any war with India - not out of fear of bramouse but a MMA fighter has no interest to fight with a bum. China has nothing to gain here. The duty is to keep this 20% out of Indian hands but the longer the Indians stay on it, the closer it gets to becoming de facto status. For this reason, PLA has engaged in standoff.

If India had courage, it would fight for the 20% but wants it for free. Kind of like how some Indians bargain. They expect things to come to them with no effort or price paid. China showed that it will fight to keep this remaining 20% out of Indian hands. India wants it, then go and get it and be sure you properly understand the costs... it's not a bollywood wetdream where one Jai Hind can handle dozens of PLA. If anything, the military capability between the two is at least one generation wide and China outnumbers India 10 to 1 overall... oh and quality is on China's side. Has anyone dealt with Indian quality? LOL give them another 30 years (if that) before "made in India" jokes begin. All China needs to figure out is the logistics of sending equipment to India but there is every chance the US is closely watching PLA electronic warfare as it tried to thrust India into the crosshairs.
 
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