Ladakh Flash Point

Have I ever shared these before? Frankly there were many that I’ve lost count.

PLA reinforcements.




Captive return.



Not to be confused with this other which I know I’ve shared several times already.

siegecrossbow said:

They started blaming Russian gear in earnest after the 2019 Balakot fiasco. The next time one of their precious Rafales gets shot down then they could move on to blaming the French and would start purchasing the F-35.

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Indians are nothing but perpetual whingers. They should have a reality check about themselves. Poor training. Poor maintenance. Poor education.

davidau said:

Indians are nothing but perpetual whingers. They should have a reality check about themselves. Poor training. Poor maintenance. Poor education.

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I don't think Indians have bad training. I've read that their fighter pilots have good flight hours and participate in multinational exercises etc

( Remember the very interesting back and forth of words and remarks between Indian Sukhoi and F22 pilots after exercises?)

Poor maintenance? Very likely. Nothing explains the constant crashes. The overall level of Indian industrial ability is not high enough to support them even as a Regional power ( let alone a Superpower).
Recently, I was looking at Indonesian Aircraft manufacturing industry ( PT Dirgantara...) and was wondering if Indonesia was better than India.

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Key statement:

As part of this “pivot to the north”, one of India’s three mechanised strike corps has been operationally reassigned as a mountain strike corps, to be used in the event of Chinese aggression. In addition to the two divisions rushed to Eastern Ladakh last summer, up to two more divisions have been redeployed to reinforce other vulnerable points on the LAC. This has resulted in a reduction of forces available to deter Pakistan.

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He is talking about 1 Corps, which contains the 33rd Armored Division. This formation is supposed to be based right in the center of the border with Pakistan, with 1st Armored on its Northern Flank and 31st Armored on the South, in Rajasthan. If the center of this group has been taken out, that changes a lot of things on the ground. What I want to know is whether 33rd Armored is included in this "re-orientation" to the LAC. We did see some T-90s in Ladakh, possibly from this formation. If the 33rd has permanently moved to the LAC, the number of Pak-India Armored divisions facing each other on the flat tank-terrain would then be tied at 2 Indian vs 2 Pakistani.

I've been saying for a while, Pakistan needs to start thinking about raising at least one more Armored Division, this is the time to do it. Ideally, we should have had 5 armored divisions by now, given our geography. Unfortunately, our Army has been too infantry focused... but that's a separate issue that's been discussed on the Pak Military thread.

Kakyan said:

Geo location of recent ceremony shows it is more than 1.5 km (on foot) from Galwan clash point (river bend) and outside the last years agreed Galwan buffer zone.
Coordinates :- 34.76027191781724, 78.21952889723589
. From the photographs, it is clear that access to PP14 bend is washed away for Chinese.

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This is the best map I can find

Yikes…

The cops abused him on his Sikh identity, tied him up, tore out his turban, pulled his hair, beat him with lathis—causing grave injuries on his backside and hips—and anally penetrated him with a baton, Resham said. The police also manhandled his sisters, according to the first-information report lodged at the Puranpur Sadar police station. Despite the accusations of grave torture and brutality, the FIR accuses the cops of minor bailable offences.

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Xsizor said:

I don't think Indians have bad training. I've read that their fighter pilots have good flight hours and participate in multinational exercises etc

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It's not hard to send a small contingent of studs to represent the force.

They can't train that hard if IAF is constantly short on smart munitions.

I remember reading about an incident where the Indian pilot wind up bombing his own base while trying to preserve the munition which failed in training. Memory hazy and can't find a link, but it could've been a fuel tank.

You can't train if you don't have the planes. If Indian sortie rates are low, then available airframes for training is low. If they have big flight hours, then it's probably a administrative stats game.