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twineedle said:
I have already explained that Gogra is around the confluence of Kugrang and Changlung, and there is a pla camp there
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I'd have agreed if you said PP17 is in that general region.

I don't understand why you want to engage in the shuffling of names. You can merely help this forum and everyone by supplying a well denoted map.

I've based my observations largely on this map-Meera Ajai mp.jpg


The is a Gogra Post ( PP17A region) and I don't know about you, but I've discussed everything on the basis that that region (between PP17 and PP19) is GOGRA. You partook rather enthusiatically in that back and forth too.


Now you insist that we give Gogra title to the confluence of Kugrang Changlung ( which we discussed as the Hot springs spot).

I've read many articles and the only thing I can say is that "Hot Springs" is the general name for the entire region, especially east of PP17A.
 
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Xsizor said:
I'd have agreed if you said PP17 is in that general region.

I don't understand why you want to engage in the shuffling of names. You can merely help this forum and everyone by supplying a well denoted map.

I've based my observations largely on this map-View attachment 72501


The is a Gogra Post ( PP17A region) and I don't know about you, but I've discussed everything on the basis that that region (between PP17 and PP19) is GOGRA. You partook rather enthusiatically in that back and forth too.


Now you insist that we give Gogra title to the confluence of Kugrang Changlung ( which we discussed as the Hot springs spot).

I've read many articles and the only thing I can say is that "Hot Springs" is the general name for the entire region, especially east of PP17A.
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Yes, I have already said pp17 is near the Kugrang Changlung confluence. Hot Springs is the name of the camp near Kongka La.
Part of the confusion seen not only here but also among Indian media is that Hot Springs post has been called gogra, whereas Gogra is near the confluence of Kugrang and Changlung.

To be fair, that had confused me too, so I don't blame you. Even Detresfa labeled Hot Springs as gogra

PP15 is around the point I provided, not too far from Galwan(which has pp14)

Near Hot Springs post are pps 18-20 at Kongka La
 
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twineedle said:
India is already between Burtse and Y Junction. The bottleneck is being blocked from the Indian side. Also, Indian patrols went to the line of patrol, not india's perception of LAC.

You can see for yourself the area between Burtse and South of DBO and the bottleneck. PLA used to patrol that area and even occupied it in 2013. That area is now blocked. PLA is also blocking India from reaching the LOP.
Depsang LA, which seperates teh Depsang plains from Burtse and DSDBO road, is also under Indian control.
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LOP /LAC is still not Claim lines of China.

It was China's initiative to block the Y junction, right? That means the Depsang buildup, being China's initiative, is being replied by India (reactive and not proactive).

India "blocking" the Y junction from the other side happened after China blocked India. Moreover, several patrol points of India (10,11,11A,12.. Remain blocked).

(You may want to supply some articles highlighting Indian "blocking" of China (knee jerk reaction be as it may) in the Y junction of Depsang).
 
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twineedle said:
Yes, I have already said pp17 is near the Kugrang Changlung confluence. Hot Springs is the name of the camp near Kongka La.
Part of the confusion seen not only here but also among Indian media is that Hot Springs post has been called gogra, whereas Gogra is near the confluence of Kugrang and Changlung.

To be fair, that had confused me too, so i don't blame you.

PP15 is around the point I provided, not too far from Galwan(which has pp14)

Near Hot Springs post are pps 18-20 at Kongka La
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You can link an article that better represents the region. I've never failed to accept a good article. But I can't entertain you merely saying "nuh uh".
Its not at all productive.

All this shuffling of names will only complicate the observations for that region. I don't see any other benefit to this sudden change in names.
 
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rhino123 said:
I am surprise that u guys still try to talk sense to senseless people.

After Indian minister blatantly lied about a new covid strain coming from Singapore, I lost all trust on every single Indians.

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They are just a bunch of irresponsible, uncultured, sorry state of mankind who know no gratitude.

Sorry... Just my rant. Please delete if inappropriate.
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The Delhi CM is a member of teh opposition party. The gov. quickly corrected him and clarified there is no singapore variant. Not sure if Kejriwal was deliberately lying or just screwed up.
 
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twineedle said:
And as for the "retired soldiers" bit, many retired soldiers who actually served on the ground there disagree with Shukla.
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OH really?
I'm excited. Do link to other retired soldiers who explain the things with maps and demarcation of Patrol points.

Its not as if I am here to defend Ajai Shukla. Not much interest in that ( because his statements are aggressive in a certain perspective). What interests me is that he has supplied the non military folks with a depiction of patrol points and other complexities at the border. It's only a bonus that his narrative paints the Indian leadership as not so competent, compared to the narrative of other figures.

You may supply the forum with the details /maps created by other retired soldiers - the more patrol points highlighted, the better. More information is good.
 
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I don't know why you are bothering with the Indian troll. It's a known fact that India will continually shift goalposts to make whatever happened a victory. Trying to keep track of his weasel words and claims is migraine inducing.

This conflict was a year ago, and the world has changed significantly since then. If Indians feel like having another go they are welcome to. With the risk of covid, black fungus and whatever medieval disease they are carrying I'm sure Chinese soldier would be more afraid of going into hand to hand combat with them.
 
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Abominable said:
I don't know why you are bothering with the Indian troll. It's a known fact that India will continually shift goalposts to make whatever happened a victory. Trying to keep track of his weasel words and claims is migraine inducing.

This conflict was a year ago, and the world has changed significantly since then. If Indians feel like having another go they are welcome to. With the risk of covid, black fungus and whatever medieval disease they are carrying I'm sure Chinese soldier would be more afraid of going into hand to hand combat with them.
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The discussion was not about China shifted back. It was about if China managed to shift India back.

If the former was true, you'd see jubilation and celebrations of the highest level emanating from all social media of India. (You could see a glimpse of it when India got into some valleys of Kailash ranges, although momentarily).

For the time being, nothing has changed fundamentally, except for the winter playing its full part.
 
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