And that dumb dumb politician was a trained and educated Harvard Economist.
Ladakh Flash Point
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Lt. Gen H.S panag is biased but his analyses are generally pretty decent. One thing I do like about him is that he makes it pretty clear when he is speculating or making assumptions, and admits when he is wrong. For example, last June, he wrote that since the Galwan Valley itself has limited tactical utility, the PLA had occupied the heights surrounding Galwan. This would have indeed threatened DBO ROad. However, Nathan Ruser found out in his satellite imagery analysis that it was actually India that had occupied the heights, which Lt. Gen. H.S Panag aknowledged. This of course means that India had secured DBO Road in the area.
Going back to Gogra-Hot Springs, some of Lt. Gen. Panag's analysis is questionable. As of now, PLA has only one camp in the disputed areas of the Kugrang Valley with an Indian camp very close to it. There is now way a small admin camp can cut off the entire valley, expecially since India has roads, a helipad and camps in it. There are threats, though those are from PLA's new forward artillery positions very close to the LAC. It makes sense why India wants China to withdraw them to pre-2020 positions, and also why China is refusing until India withdraws mirror deployment and stops infrastructure construction in the area. Hence, no progress has been made on disengagement. I also don't think India has any roads connecting Gogra and hot Springs to Galwan in Kugrang, India's roads are all west of the Kugrang/Chang Chenmo.
Anyway, here is a pretty good overview of how the situation in the hot Springs/PP15 standoff point has progressed since last June. PLA has withdrawn most of its forward deployments from the standoff point,, and as of WInter there are at most one PLA and one Indian camp in the disputed area, between both sides' perceptions of the LAC. There is no evidence of any incursion taking place near Gogra, even Lt. Gen. Panag says it was limited to Kugrang.
As for Dr. Swamy, age hasn't been kind to him. He used to be pretty sharp 10 years ago. Today, not even his own party takes him seriously.
Going back to Gogra-Hot Springs, some of Lt. Gen. Panag's analysis is questionable. As of now, PLA has only one camp in the disputed areas of the Kugrang Valley with an Indian camp very close to it. There is now way a small admin camp can cut off the entire valley, expecially since India has roads, a helipad and camps in it. There are threats, though those are from PLA's new forward artillery positions very close to the LAC. It makes sense why India wants China to withdraw them to pre-2020 positions, and also why China is refusing until India withdraws mirror deployment and stops infrastructure construction in the area. Hence, no progress has been made on disengagement. I also don't think India has any roads connecting Gogra and hot Springs to Galwan in Kugrang, India's roads are all west of the Kugrang/Chang Chenmo.
Anyway, here is a pretty good overview of how the situation in the hot Springs/PP15 standoff point has progressed since last June. PLA has withdrawn most of its forward deployments from the standoff point,, and as of WInter there are at most one PLA and one Indian camp in the disputed area, between both sides' perceptions of the LAC. There is no evidence of any incursion taking place near Gogra, even Lt. Gen. Panag says it was limited to Kugrang.
As for Dr. Swamy, age hasn't been kind to him. He used to be pretty sharp 10 years ago. Today, not even his own party takes him seriously.
DBO road lies on the edge of Shyok river and not parallel to Galwan River.
As such, India "secured" DBO road with what and how?
There was an article in Indian media a day prior.
Seems like the mere existence of Chinese troops in what is supposedly China controlled region isn't the only issue like you insist.
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As of this winter, both sides have a camp in the disputed area in the Kugrang Valley, East of pp15. So there is still one camp within India's perception, though Indian army is also deployed within China's perception of LAC. So far there is no evidence of any confrontation East of Gogra.
There was partial disengagement in July, when most PLA camps were withdrawn, as shown below, although that was not completed.
There was partial disengagement in July, when most PLA camps were withdrawn, as shown below, although that was not completed.
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That is one crafty way to put it. "India is in China's perception of LAC". But I'll say that China has pushed further near to its existing claims as India ever did. Never stepped back. India on the other hand likely don't patrol beyond the Chinese post.
PP17A Gogra.
Whether by patrols or camps, China seems to have ingressed into Indian LAC. Patrols won't be captured by Satellites.
Indian government insists on trying to resolve these regions while China merely says "India should be happy with what has been achieved".
"The PLA is currently around 700 metres inside India’s perception of the LAC in both locations"
The current standoff point is several km east of pp15, which is at the confluence of the Kugrang and Changlung. Previously IA had never patrolled past the confluence let alone set up camps there, as seen by the lack of road connectivity with Gogra and Hot Spring Posts until last year. which allows IA to patrol and set up camps further East than it previously could. Similiarly, India never patrolled as far as where the PLA camp currently is, since it is far east of the patrol points. The big issue isn't the forward camps though, since both sides can dismantle those in a few hours. The main issue for India is PLA forward deployments of artillery very close to the pla, and for China it is Indian infrastructure construction/build up in the area. Hence, the disnegagement seen in the previous timelapse was never completed, even though all PLA camps except one were withdrawn.
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No matter how many time you keep regurgitating it, it won't become a fact.
It is pretty evident that India's primary issues are PP15 and PP17A. In both, it is said in an Indian news report that PLA has made incursions 700m into LAC.
The above news bit further compounds the doubts about the schrodinger LAC perception of India (and that's besides the point).
And China is alright with Indian Infra construction elsewhere (or lack thereof). You have been trying to assert that China has a problem so that India's constant insistence of a disengagement (and China's dismissal) may be seen not as a sign of weakness from Indian side.
As for the recent developments regarding thinning of troops, you may post a zoomed out map. Twitter teens and analysts have consistently proved that they use zoomed in maps as merely a tool.
Right, United Nations was founded in 1945 after China and others won WW2. India didn't even become independent from British empire until 1947.
Imagine a colonized/conquered nation challenging a victor of WW2 for a seat at the elite table. The audacity and the gall.
There is one PLA camp in India's perception of the LAC,and an Indian camp mirror deployed within China's perception. Both are in the disputed area neither side patrolled before until last year.
The above image was a timelapse showing how the specific conflict point(Kugrang Valley) east of pp15 changed between last June and April, which is the only conflict point in the area. I have already posted two zoomed out and annotated maps(Abhijit Iyer's and Detresfa's).
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