For Ladakh it does. The question is where the line is for the modern, current nations of China and India. For Tibet, India has no claim, it has never been a part of India.
Ladakh Flash Point
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For Ladakh it does. The question is where the line is for the modern, current nations of China and India. For Tibet, India has no claim, it has never been a part of India.
LAC came to being after the 1962 war.
Not mutually agreed upon.
There is no agreement that lays down exact claims of China past 1962. So India is left to put the LAC whoever they want.
If at all it clashes with China's perception, then issues like Galwan take place.
The LAC (of India) has shifted. You are supplying a map of 1962 or before to assert and support an LAC that came after.
lol this is TejasSpokesman from PDF
A 1:1 identical post as Kakyan's. It's like the Jai Hind IT Cell trolls are fed a line and narrative and told to spread them even when no one is talking about something.
India is the truest form of 1984. Not China not PRC... India.
This topic isn't even freaking relevant to this thread but the trolls receive instructions to deposit their material everywhere. India only has one weapon, information warfare.
This gem below is also pretty revealing and pretty obvious to anyone who frequent military and political discussions online.
Make lies, repeat lies, obfuscate truths, call anyone who doesn't agree with names and cheap put downs.
A 1:1 identical post as Kakyan's. It's like the Jai Hind IT Cell trolls are fed a line and narrative and told to spread them even when no one is talking about something.
India is the truest form of 1984. Not China not PRC... India.
This topic isn't even freaking relevant to this thread but the trolls receive instructions to deposit their material everywhere. India only has one weapon, information warfare.
This gem below is also pretty revealing and pretty obvious to anyone who frequent military and political discussions online.
Make lies, repeat lies, obfuscate truths, call anyone who doesn't agree with names and cheap put downs.
April 15, 2021
The 11th round of India-China military talks on disengagement and de-escalation from Gogra-Hot Springs area of East Ladakh did not yield the required result with the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) reluctant to restore April 2020 status quo along the 1597-km Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the western sector.
Diplomatics aside, the PLA clearly wants that Indian Army recognise its new positions along the Ladakh LAC beyond patrolling point 15 and 17A and is very reluctant to go back to its dug-outs before April 2020. “There are some 60 Chinese troops ahead of its April 2020 positions in the Gogra-Hot Springs area and disengagement remains incomplete till status quo ante is restored.
As of this past Winter, there is one spot several km East of PP!5(Hot Springs) where there are still an Indian and PLA camp very close to each other, Pp 15 is in the red dot
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A good overview of PLA forward positions ahead of its permanent base near Kongka La. Note the arrows in detresfa's image, I feel not enough attention has been given to them. Before withdrawing its forward deployments, India wants China to remove those new armor adn artillery positions, which China refused. Which is why Gogra is still considered a problem spot by the Indian Government.
India is also camping within disputed land here. There is no reason for China to disengage along the outstanding confrontation areas. It's a catch 22 if neither side wants to budge. I mean the reverse perspective is also true. China wants India to leave disputed land and probably also to remove any build ups behind it that China views as threatening. India refuses as well.
Issue being the disputed land lies between the Indian Camp at Gogra PP17A and Chinese Camp 15 km away. So I don't think the Indian camp at PP17 A is specifically the problem but rather the area adjacent to it.
Seems like whatever be the LAC , to have India specifically note PP17A as a problem zone hints at what could've conspired.
Two possibilities :
1. If the LAC is as Mr @twineedle suggests then that means forward deployments of Chinese troops are coming 15 km from the Chinese camp. Very risky even with Artillery support. Satellite images that Mr twineedle quotes also show that both camps are 15 km apart.
2. If the LAC is as per Ajai Shukla, then the presence of Chinese camps and Artillery would be nearby / even on the PP19 ( if it exits). We can then see how that is a problem and why India would want China to remove them.
From the article published on July 10, 2020 by Ajai shukla
The basis of negotiations, which is a simultaneous withdrawal of one km by both sides, is disadvantageous to the Indian side, because the Chinese have already intruded 2-4 km into Indian-claimed territory. Consequently the entire buffer zone would be set up on Indian territory. Yet, the Chinese are refusing to concede even this.
Anticipating the need to back up their intruding troops in the Gogra Post area, a large number of PLA troops have concentrated on the Chinese side of the LAC across from India’s PP-18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23, which is east of Gogra Post. Chinese artillery guns have been observed deployed across the LAC from PP-19.
Note : No other Indian media or source is providing as detailed a representation as the above. Whil they all agree and quote the Indian government on issues at PP17A general region, they don't explore further.
@ougoah You are right that both countries dispute the region.
You are saying that the Indian Government wants China to remove its bases from what is beyond India's own LAC ( the LAC as per you). That too 15 km away from Indian camps. Why should China do that ? Can't India do the eye to eye confrontation or mirror deployment of artillery within its LAC ?
Senseless.
Detresfa's image clearly shows there are PLA forward deployments between China's Kongka La base and the LAC. The second image I posted provides more specific locations for said positions. The LAC is also quite clear in that area.
Also, the disputed land is at hot Springs, not Gogra. That's why the red circle is labeled as the conflict point, both sides were deployed slightly east of that, and still are to some extent. The issue east of Gogra is simply due to buildup and forward deployment on both sides that was not there before 2020, hence change in status quo. China uses the same arguement when it objects to India's infrastructure construction.
The reason why points > 17 are not mentioned by any credible Indian media source is becausue there is no confrontation there. Not a single Indian gov. statement mentions those points.
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