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Xizor

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Really? Then why was global times and the Western Theatre Command crying so much hoarse about some kind of incursion that 'India' took? If there was no such incursion, then why even cry at all? Maybe they were ghosts after all

Well anyways, I won't comment much. I do apologize for my comment.
Apologies accepted.

Crying ?That is the Indian media. Chinese media doesn't even go on a hue and cry regarding much about anything. That is the issue- they are very opaque regarding things. Indian media however is the exact opposite - so much like a cat jumped by a cucumber.
 

solarz

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India's military incompetent? Are you serious? Have you checked the list of wars India participated in

Sino-Indian War 1962 - India gets smashed.

Indo-Pakistan War of 1965 - Ceasefire. Nothing much happens. First true defeat.

Uh.... okay... whatever you say dude... :p
 

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A drunk getting into many fights and losing them all doesn't make him competent. Indian had its jet shot down by Pakistan, then shot down its own helicopter in response. Then it claimed to shoot down an F-16, which was debunked by a US official inventory count in Pakistan. Almost all of India's casualties in Galwan were self-inflicted from running into frozen streams... and the ones that survived received medals for it! Indian military aviation accidents are top in the world; most the MiG-21 they purchased from Russia were wrecked from poor maintenance. India is the only country to suffer a double tank breakdown at the exact same spot in the tank biathlon. India routinely mistakes things like the moon and Venus for Chinese drones/satellites. India has set its own aircraft carrier on fire before and is the only country ever to wreck a submarine by diving with the hatch open. This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. If I searched, there probably wouldn't be enough space on the post limit to list them all. If these things don't make India incompetent, then nobody in the world is incompetent.

In its dreams. It loses to Pakistan and it loses to China and it fights no one else. India didn't beat the British colonists away; Indians worshipped a man whose strategy was to starve himself for pity from his attackers.

No thanks, there's too much Indian shit on it already with the lack of toilets. I just tell the truth.

You and I are just listing facts about India; if you say that's all shit, then guess what that means about India.

Poor logic. Many countries are weak and incompetent and still exist. No one goes around checking accomplishments and wiping away countries that fail.

Why wouldn't I understand this? I'm in the US. India is like the US now, at its weakest, most panicked and unproductive period, not like the US when it was successful. India at every point is like the US at its lowest point and you proudly made this comparison as if to say that India is as powerful and similar to America. LOL Democracies work for some countries, mainly those with smaller populations, but with larger ones, the decision-making gets bogged down. That's why India's monkey-see-monkey-do copy of Western democracy failed even though many countries in the West were successful with it.

Well they took their casualties and backed down. They claim to be hit by all manner of weaponry such as microwave guns and they didn't answer. They continued to provide comedic relief at high altitudes with bridge and landmine accidents killing their own soldiers for China to laugh at. So if China just kept striking away, that's a massacre.

Ghosts? Crying? What are you talking about? Indians ambushed unarmed Chinese negotiators and when the Chinese forces arrived, 20+ Indians were turned into ghosts... mostly of their own incompetence... and then all Indian media cried that they were unarmed and ambushed by a massive armed Chinese contingent that encircled them and beat them without mercy mangling them with barbed-wired bats! Oh the cruelty! Then the Chinese video came out showing the Indians all armed attacking a few unarmed Chinese negotiators... for shame, India...

Just don't lie and post stupid stuff. It's meaningless to do it then apologize over and over again.

Sure dude. China is most powerful, perfect, pristine, angelic, heavenly country that the world has ever seen. China is flawless, blessed by the true mandate of heaven. What do you call that - yeah Tianxia? China can do nothing wrong. It must be the other country which is wrong. It always is, always has been, always will be.

"Why wouldn't I understand this? I'm in the US. India is like the US now, at its weakest, most panicked and unproductive period, not like the US when it was successful. " - Oh, a Chinese in US talking about US and how unsuccessful it is. I admit it brings tear to my eye for the Irony that got lost with the Chinese soldier inside the Indian side of the border or died with Chinese doctor Li Wenliang . My condolences. Indeed, you are the chosen one Anakin.
 

manqiangrexue

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Sure dude. China is most powerful, perfect, pristine, angelic, heavenly country that the world has ever seen. China is flawless, blessed by the true mandate of heaven. What do you call that - yeah Tianxia? China can do nothing wrong. It must be the other country which is wrong. It always is, always has been, always will be.

"Why wouldn't I understand this? I'm in the US. India is like the US now, at its weakest, most panicked and unproductive period, not like the US when it was successful. " - Oh, a Chinese in US talking about US and how unsuccessful it is. I admit it brings tear to my eye for the Irony that got lost with the Chinese soldier inside the Indian side of the border or died with Chinese doctor Li Wenliang . My condolences. Indeed, you are the chosen one Anakin.
What a pathetic and pointless rebuttal filled with strawman arguments and even a meaningless Starwars reference just because you cannot answer my post point-to-point! China's not perfect, because there is no such thing as perfection but it is the fastest rising power in the world its comprehensive power is second at least. I showed you with specific examples of how incredibly incompetent India's armed forces are and instead of rebutting it, you answered with sarcasm for how China isn't (or is) "perfect"? LOL

It doesn't matter where one is; it is a fact that the US is currently in a very unsuccessful period. America has been in a very successful period for many decades but that has fallen apart since 2016. And I didn't bring up America; you brought up America hoping it would make India look good but to no avail.

There is no irony that a Chinese soldier strayed into India and was returned; China returned dozens of Indian POWs before that during this incident. The Chinese doctor who died actually misdiagnosed this disease as resurgent SARS and instead of properly escalating up to his superiors, spread rumors on his Wechat. Despite this, he was still given recognition, unlike the US Aircraft Carrier Captain who was fired for pleading for help for his stricken sailors and never reinstated. And India... forget about it. In India they just have no idea how many people died of what; it's just medical care freefall over there LOL

What's with the Anakin reference? Are you inserting random pop culture references hoping that one of them makes you sound edgy or quick-witted? Because the reference needs to make sense for that to work. Normally people don't just say random things hoping one of them was clever...
 
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Grey_Lie

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What a pathetic and pointless rebuttal filled with strawman arguments and even a meaningless Starwars reference just because you cannot answer my post point-to-point! China's not perfect, because there is no such thing as perfection but it is the fastest rising power in the world its comprehensive power is second at least. I showed you with specific examples of how incredibly incompetent India's armed forces are and instead of rebutting it, you answered with sarcasm for how China isn't (or is) "perfect"? LOL

It doesn't matter where one is; it is a fact that the US is currently in a very unsuccessful period. America has been in a very successful period for many decades but that has fallen apart since 2016. And I didn't bring up America; you brought up America hoping it would make India look good but to no avail.

There is no irony that a Chinese soldier strayed into India and was returned; China returned dozens of Indian POWs before that during this incident. The Chinese doctor who died actually misdiagnosed this disease as resurgent SARS and instead of properly escalating up to his superiors, spread rumors on his Wechat. Despite this, he was still given recognition, unlike the US Aircraft Carrier Captain who was fired for pleading for help for his stricken sailors and never reinstated. And India... forget about it. In India they just have no idea how many people died of what; it's just medical care freefall over there LOL

What's with the Anakin reference? Are you inserting random pop culture references hoping that one of them makes you sound edgy or quick-witted? Because the reference needs to make sense for that to work. Normally people don't just say random things hoping one of them was clever...
Exactly. A strawman argument for a whataboutism post you did. I commented "India mostly wins in a fight'' and you said and I quote '"A drunk getting into many fights and losing them all doesn't make him competent. " then you posted a list of problems that came in news on Indian army. Either your comprehension is bad or your English is bad. In the latter case, I guess living in US might be pretty hard for you.

Anyways, Keep in mind, some of these are years old. Do you really think we Indians are so dumb that we won't try to change. Your Chinese army might have been worst like this at some point too? Now, will I post those shits here too? You got triggered just because of a few words of stuff I wrote, that everybody knows about China. What happens if I post All those shits that comes on news DAILY about your country. Or should I search for Chinese military funny videos on YouTube.

Oh, I will probably get banned.

Oh, that's not all. I can say even more stuff. I heard you Chinese are still pretty offended by us about the Opium war. Well, I guess it must have been pretty hard.

But I won't say it because 1) I don't wanna get banned. 2) It's stupid to dig up of stuff about someone's country. 3) Let's be honest, how can a father berate his own son. After all, you all learned Buddhism from us. Karma dictates to treat others nicely and carry on your own stuff. You Chinese aren't being filial. I guess, you don't treat your ancestors nicely.
 
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Grey_Lie

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Before anyone gets triggered for my last comment.

'A teacher for a day, a father for life' - Chinese quote.

Yeah, know yourself and your enemy and you shall win a hundred battles. Nice quote, he is popular in India as well.

Well, I guess good night
 

manqiangrexue

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Exactly. A strawman argument for a whataboutism post you did. I commented "India mostly wins in a fight'' and you said and I quote '"A drunk getting into many fights and losing them all doesn't make him competent. " then you posted a list of problems that came in news on Indian army.
You said India's not incompetent because it gets into many fights. So I said that getting into fights doesn't make you competent and then I showed you a list of ridiculous military failures that exemplify incompetence. There is no strawman; this is point and example.
Either your comprehension is bad or your English is bad.
Actually, it's your logic that's bad. But I do admit that Indians are usually pretty good an English as far as Asians go... and we all know why ;)
In the latter case, I guess living in US might be pretty hard for you.
Must you guess wrong on everything, from national issues to personal issues full circle?
Anyways, Keep in mind, some of these are years old.
And most of them are within a year or two. You, on the other hand are bringing up wars that happened decades ago. At least I'm being relevant to now.
Do you really think we Indians are so dumb that we won't try to change.
Yes, that's what it looks like. Many of those incidents were many years ago, and many are from 2020. No change.
Your Chinese army might have been worst like this at some point too?
You're hoping? You're guessing? LOL When, in when China was in its last dynasty?
Now, will I post those shits here too?
Go ahead.
You got triggered just because of a few words of stuff I wrote, that everybody knows about China.
What word, in Indian English, caused you to think that I got triggered?
What happens if I post All those shits that comes on news DAILY about your country. Or should I search for Chinese military funny videos on YouTube.
Do what you need to do to try to keep this conversation but small funny things will never trump the glaring military failures that plague India. How many funny clips do you think you'll need to reply to an aircraft carrier on fire and a submarine sinking itself? Show them; let's go.
Oh, I will probably get banned.
Imagining things that hold you back when actually you have no bullets in the chamber.
Oh, that's not all. I can say even more stuff. I heard you Chinese are still pretty offended by us about the Opium war. Well, I guess it must have been pretty hard.
Uh.... It was the British that perpetrated that; India never had the power. And that was almost 200 years ago. The British are an insect today compared to modern China. Yeah, it must have been pretty hard for you to find fault with China since you had to go 200 years into the past LOL
But I won't say it because 1) I don't wanna get banned.
You won't for posting facts but Indians are scared of facts.
2) It's stupid to dig up of stuff about someone's country.
How else would you make your case without examining a country's actions? It's stupid to think you could have a conversation without understanding a country's deeds, historical and recent.
3) Let's be honest, how can a father berate his own son. After all, you all learned Buddhism from us. Karma dictates to treat others nicely and carry on your own stuff.
LOL What? I'm not Buddhist. No prominent Chinese are Buddhist or religious. If a few Indians are Christian, it doesn't make Jerusalem the father of India. Don't try to claim China's success just because your country is mired in failures.
Before anyone gets triggered for my last comment.

'A teacher for a day, a father for life' - Chinese quote.

Yeah, know yourself and your enemy and you shall win a hundred.

We Indians aren't like Pakistan's who barged without any information. When you comment or fight. We do our preparations.
So you're saying that you did all your preparations and got all your information and in your last bout with Pakistan, they still shot down your junk, captured your pilot for a jailtime tea party, and then you killed 7 of your own men in a fratricide incident with your own chopper? LOL Maybe you should actually collect information and prepare for battle rather than pretend to do it online with random quotes.
 

Grey_Lie

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You said India's not incompetent because it gets into many fights. So I said that getting into fights doesn't make you competent and then I showed you a list of ridiculous military failures that exemplify incompetence. There is no strawman; this is point and example.

Actually, it's your logic that's bad. But I do admit that Indians are usually pretty good an English as far as Asians go... and we all know why ;)

Must you guess wrong on everything, from national issues to personal issues full circle?

And most of them are within a year or two. You, on the other hand are bringing up wars that happened decades ago. At least I'm being relevant to now.

Yes, that's what it looks like. Many of those incidents were many years ago, and many are from 2020. No change.

You're hoping? You're guessing? LOL When, in when China was in its last dynasty?

Go ahead.

What word, in Indian English, caused you to think that I got triggered?

Do what you need to do to try to keep this conversation but small funny things will never trump the glaring military failures that plague India. How many funny clips do you think you'll need to reply to an aircraft carrier on fire and a submarine sinking itself? Show them; let's go.

Imagining things that hold you back when actually you have no bullets in the chamber.

Uh.... It was the British that perpetrated that; India never had the power. And that was almost 200 years ago. The British are an insect today compared to modern China. Yeah, it must have been pretty hard for you to find fault with China since you had to go 200 years into the past LOL

You won't for posting facts but Indians are scared of facts.

How else would you make your case without examining a country's actions? It's stupid to think you could have a conversation without understanding a country's deeds, historical and recent.

LOL What? I'm not Buddhist. No prominent Chinese are Buddhist or religious. If a few Indians are Christian, it doesn't make Jerusalem the father of India. Don't try to claim China's success just because your country is mired in failures.

So you're saying that you did all your preparations and got all your information and in your last bout with Pakistan, they still shot down your junk, captured your pilot for a jailtime tea party, and then you killed 7 of your own men in a fratricide incident with your own chopper? LOL Maybe you should actually collect information and prepare for battle rather than pretend to do it online with random quotes.

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Do you really think we Indians are so dumb that we won't try to change.
Rather than a yes or no answer, I'll give you a word to consider: LOGISTICS

Consider for a moment your army's response at Doklam and their response at Ladakh. For each event, write down the biggest problems your army faced and what was done to prevent them from occurring in future engagements with China.

Done?

Now do the same exercise for the 1962 war. If you need help finding a source of information on it, try the Henderson-Brooks-Bhagat report or the book based on it, India's China War. Once you are done, compare the list to those of Doklam and Ladakh.

Are you seeing a pattern yet?

Instead of trying illicit pity here for your very pronounced bipolar disorder, perhaps you should write to your government and ask some hard questions like why are the problems plaguing the Indian army in 1962 still persisting 60 years later?
 

Xizor

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Sure dude. China is most powerful, perfect, pristine, angelic, heavenly country that the world has ever seen. China is flawless, blessed by the true mandate of heaven. What do you call that - yeah Tianxia? China can do nothing wrong. It must be the other country which is wrong. It always is, always has been, always will be.

"Why wouldn't I understand this? I'm in the US. India is like the US now, at its weakest, most panicked and unproductive period, not like the US when it was successful. " - Oh, a Chinese in US talking about US and how unsuccessful it is. I admit it brings tear to my eye for the Irony that got lost with the Chinese soldier inside the Indian side of the border or died with Chinese doctor Li Wenliang . My condolences. Indeed, you are the chosen one Anakin.
China certainly can be the recipient of these adjectives when it is paired with the current India.

Soldier and Doctor ? Whataboutism is the last thing you should invoke here. Because whatabouting regarding India and US will run pages.
Oh, I will probably get banned.

Oh, that's not all. I can say even more stuff. I heard you Chinese are still pretty offended by us about the Opium war. Well, I guess it must have been pretty hard.
Read up the posts before vomiting.

The opium war - India connection was discussed after a book was published by a disgruntled Jai Hind about how China is supposedly angry about "Indians" role in Opuim wars.

This guy goes as far as to frame it as India's victory over China. Delusional.

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