Ladakh Flash Point

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twineedle

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Really? Then why was global times and the Western Theatre Command crying so much hoarse about some kind of incursion that 'India' took? If there was no such incursion, then why even cry at all? Maybe they were ghosts after all

Well anyways, I won't comment much. I do apologize for my comment.
Because China no longer recognizes the 1962 lac(dotted line. Instead, it has a new claim line, as indicated by Chinese embassy statements. That is why China attempted(unsuccessfully) to shift the 1962 lac(dotted line) in several sectors, including Hot Springs and Galwan. As a result, the new positions India occupied in those areas are in Chinese territory, according to new CCP claims. That explains those statements.
 

twineedle

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Rather than a yes or no answer, I'll give you a word to consider: LOGISTICS

Consider for a moment your army's response at Doklam and their response at Ladakh. For each event, write down the biggest problems your army faced and what was done to prevent them from occurring in future engagements with China.

Done?

Now do the same exercise for the 1962 war. If you need help finding a source of information on it, try the Henderson-Brooks-Bhagat report or the book based on it, India's China War. Once you are done, compare the list to those of Doklam and Ladakh.

Are you seeing a pattern yet?

Instead of trying illicit pity here for your very pronounced bipolar disorder, perhaps you should write to your government and ask some hard questions like why are the problems plaguing the Indian army in 1962 still persisting 60 years later?
That's why just this past year alone, BRO has constructed thousands of kms of strategic infrastruture projects along the lac, and one reason why China started the standoff. India still faces logistical challenges, but those are considerably decreased.

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And India's Ladakh response was pretty succesful, considering China failed to shift the lac and threaten Indian infrastructure projects like DBO Road.

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manqiangrexue

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Because China no longer recognizes the 1962 lac(dotted line. Instead, it has a new claim line, as indicated by Chinese embassy statements. That is why China attempted(unsuccessfully) to shift the 1962 lac(dotted line) in several sectors, including Hot Springs and Galwan. As a result, the new positions India occupied in those areas are in Chinese territory, according to new CCP claims. That explains those statements.
This is more of the stuff that was already debunked by @Xsizor but you have to keep repeating in order to cope with India's failures?
That's why just this past year alone, BRO has constructed thousands of kms of strategic infrastruture projects along the lac, and one reason why China started the standoff. India still faces logistical challenges, but those are considerably decreased.
Yeah, China started the standoff by crushing your failed ambush. Indian logic.
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And India's Ladakh response was pretty succesful, considering China failed to shift the lac and threaten Indian infrastructure projects like DBO Road.

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Well, it was pretty successful by Indian standards in the sense that India didn't shoot down any of its own aircraft this time and kept fratricide to the low single digits although accidental suicide was still quite high. I guess that's a success for India. Baby steps, eh?
 

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This is more of the stuff that was already debunked by @Xsizor but you have to keep repeating in order to cope with India's failures?

Yeah, China started the standoff by crushing your failed ambush. Indian logic.

Well, it was pretty successful by Indian standards in the sense that India didn't shoot down any of its own aircraft this time and kept fratricide to the low single digits although accidental suicide was still quite high. I guess that's a success for India. Baby steps, eh?
Dude you sound like a Chinese. Tell me, where can I buy real hard-copy of Manhwas or Webnovels. Aside from going to China. It's strategically important as well, don't you want to improve China's image and soft power? After that, you can continue shitting on India.
 

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That's why just this past year alone, BRO has constructed thousands of kms of strategic infrastruture projects along the lac, and one reason why China started the standoff. India still faces logistical challenges, but those are considerably decreased.

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And India's Ladakh response was pretty succesful, considering China failed to shift the lac and threaten Indian infrastructure projects like DBO Road.

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Bold 1: Wrong

Indian politicians had previously stated that AKSAI chin would be reclaimed under them. They also strike when the situations were the best for them - Coronavirus in China, Trade war, Trump presidency etc.


Bold 2: Indian government had shifted the LAC back in some key regions. This gives them wriggle room domestically and deniability of change in ground. China continues to strengthen military presence in the region.


Refer previous posts.
 

twineedle

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Bold 1: Wrong

Indian politicians had previously stated that AKSAI chin would be reclaimed under them. They also strike when the situations were the best for them - Coronavirus in China, Trade war, Trump presidency etc.


Bold 2: Indian government had shifted the LAC back in some key regions. This gives them wriggle room domestically and deniability of change in ground. China continues to strengthen military presence in the region.


Refer previous posts.
So how do you explain this very detailed Chinese embassy statement clearly mentioning Indian infrastructure construction(which India has now completed) as a cuase for the standoff?
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Grey_Lie

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Bold 1: Wrong

Indian politicians had previously stated that AKSAI chin would be reclaimed under them. They also strike when the situations were the best for them - Coronavirus in China, Trade war, Trump presidency etc.


Bold 2: Indian government had shifted the LAC back in some key regions. This gives them wriggle room domestically and deniability of change in ground. China continues to strengthen military presence in the region.


Refer previous posts.

Dude, I respect you. But as an Indian I know the ground situation best. If tomorrow Global Times posted an editorial saying, ''Taiwan must shed its splittism or else it will pay soon. " or "US will pay heavily if it helps China" . Heck even Xi mumbles, "Taiwan will be reunified soon. ". Doesn't means China will declare a war to Taiwan or throw a nuke at USA soon.

I remember at 2019 General elections, Amit Shah, Home Minister said "Bangladesh people are termites and we will throw them out of India. " and Modi said "India will be a 5 trillion economy. "

Spoiler Alert : Nothing happened.

Doesn't mean it will happen. It Is not specific to India. Did Trump made America great again? I don't think so.

The next point is whatever you can think of.

But I need to give you a heads up. Major things in India don't happen when a politician says something. No, it happens when they remain silent. Why will I say my plans to you so that I can invite criticism?
 
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manqiangrexue

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Dude you sound like a Chinese.
Thank you.
Tell me, where can I buy real hard-copy of Manhwas or Webnovels. Aside from going to China. It's strategically important as well, don't you want to improve China's image and soft power? After that, you can continue shitting on India.
No, Indians aren't worth it. Strategic importance is tied only to competent countries. Find it yourself or don't get it. This is a military-related thread; go start a comic book scavenger hunt thread and see if anyone's bored enough to answer.
Dude, I respect you. But as an Indian I know the ground situation best. If tomorrow Global Times posted an editorial saying, ''Taiwan must shed its splittism or else it will pay soon. " or "US will pay heavily if it helps China" . Heck even Xi mumbles, "Taiwan will be reunified soon. ". Doesn't means China will declare a war to Taiwan or throw a nuke at USA soon.
Yeah, none of those things are false nor do they claim that they will go to war tomorrow. See, you are extending what a Chinese article says into your imagination in order to make it sound false while Indian articles literally make up shoot-downs of jets that never happened and imagine the unfolding of clashes completely opposite to video evidence.
I remember at 2019 General elections, Amit Shah, Home Minister said "Bangladesh people are termites and we will throw them out of India. " and Modi said "India will be a 5 trillion economy. "

Doesn't mean it will happen. It Is not specific to India. Did Trump made America great again? I don't think so.

The next point is whatever you can think of.
Yeah, basically Trump and his supporters are the only things that can challenge the Indian government and media on incompetence and lying.
 
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Grey_Lie

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Thank you.

No, Indians aren't worth it. Find it yourself or don't get it. This is a military-related thread; go start a comic book scavenger hunt thread and see if anyone's bored enough to answer.

Yeah, none of those things are false nor do they claim that they will go to war tomorrow. See, you are extending what a Chinese article says into your imagination in order to make it sound false while Indian articles literally make up shoot-downs of jets that never happened and imagine the unfolding of clashes completely opposite to video evidence.

Yeah, basically Trump and his supporters are the only things that can challenge the Indian government and media on incompetence and lying.
Man, talking to u is useless, first of all, you were the one who commented on my post saying Indian army is useless and showed many faults? Then after I commented again. You told me to find negative articles about Chinese military where you assumed 'I was hoping I will find negative article on Chinese military, If any at all's . I did what you said and then you narrated all that article as if I am a baby. Meanwhile, I kept saying I have nothing against China and I have even agreed that China is superior then India.


What's the point of all this? To boost your ego? Frankly I don't get it.

What is the point of this statement,

"No, Indians aren't worth it"

Is this really how you see us?

If its truly this, then I get it now. I get it.

My point of coming here has been fulfilled.
 

twineedle

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The Lac has not shifted west since 1962. The proof is right here.
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Since no clear, UNBIASED, NEAUTRAL evidence has effectively countered the line google has used for decades, that is the lac that stands, I posted it above for those interested in facts, not preconceived notions. That map is corroborated by historic Inidan documents and even declassifed CIA Maps, including one of the first documents to map the LAC. If anything, the LAC has shifted East, meaning India has gained territory since 1962.
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SImilarly, no changes in Gogra-Hot Springs
 
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