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Grey_Lie

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Rather than a yes or no answer, I'll give you a word to consider: LOGISTICS

Consider for a moment your army's response at Doklam and their response at Ladakh. For each event, write down the biggest problems your army faced and what was done to prevent them from occurring in future engagements with China.

Done?

Now do the same exercise for the 1962 war. If you need help finding a source of information on it, try the Henderson-Brooks-Bhagat report or the book based on it, India's China War. Once you are done, compare the list to those of Doklam and Ladakh.

Are you seeing a pattern yet?

Instead of trying illicit pity here for your very pronounced bipolar disorder, perhaps you should write to your government and ask some hard questions like why are the problems plaguing the Indian army in 1962 still persisting 60 years later?

Respectfully, your comment is already pretty problematic. The problems Indian army is facing today is already pretty different from what was at 1962. The time and era is different. Even if we did the reforms, it won't be different.

That said, we did some reforms to improve ourselves. Leaders like Sam Manekshaw and Sundarji did some tinkering. After Kargil too, a committee was formed to see what went wrong. Some were implemented, others not due to lack of will. Even after Doklam, we did some tinkering. The new CDS under Modi is doing some major overhaul. Unlike China, we can't overhaul at once. As you can see, major reforms don't happen much in India. And we lag behind. In that aspect, you all are superior. I say this without any bias. (you all are superior on many stuff. But for this comment this will do)
 

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Chinese equipments lack Quality?

Says the Nation that can't even get a decent rifle for their army. Gotta import Western stuff. China meanwhile has a long history of supplying military wares (cruise missiles, Guns, Rockets, fighter jets etc) to many countries over half a century.
 

Grey_Lie

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Chinese equipments lack Quality?

Says the Nation that can't even get a decent rifle for their army. Gotta import Western stuff. China meanwhile has a long history of supplying military wares (cruise missiles, Guns, Rockets, fighter jets etc) to many countries over half a century.
Don't ask me dude, I didn't write the article.
 

Xizor

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But I won't say it because 1) I don't wanna get banned. 2) It's stupid to dig up of stuff about someone's country. 3) Let's be honest, how can a father berate his own son. After all, you all learned Buddhism from us. Karma dictates to treat others nicely and carry on your own stuff. You Chinese aren't being filial. I guess, you don't treat your ancestors nicely.

China learned Buddhism from Buddha. Did it change the Chinese for the better or worse? No. How many Buddhists are there in China at present? 25%? The numbers are lower than you think.

Don't ask me dude, I didn't write the article.
Don't quote these poorly researched and sensationalist articles to flamebait "Dude".
 

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You can find a bunch of random negative articles about America's military, too. Doesn't mean it still isn't the strongest military in the world.
 

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Okey dokey artichokey let's do this:
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Masturbation? This is a problem? I can already tell you've got nothing. Indians kills themselves and each other and you pull up an article about Chinese soldiers masturbating?? What's more serious a problem, a guy who masturbates or a guy who KILLS his teammates and then himself?
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M'kay, not too bad. An article from 10 years ago about a leak on a Chinese sub. But nothing went out of commission and no one died. It's not Indian level failure but it's pretty big for a meticulous and competent country like China. And China, unlike India, actually has learned as the last incident was 10 years ago.
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This is an article about Americans talking about why a $1M Chinese drone is inferior to a $4M US drone. Aside from this being completely unproven, the article is basically asking China's most bitter rival what it thinks about China. This is no incident and no sign of incompetence. The article is a pointless US complaint that Chinese weapons are eating away at US sales.
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This article shows the Chinese military's continuous drive for improvement. Instead of India which cannot learn from its mistakes, China learns before it even makes mistakes. This is a collection of the Chinese military's self-assessments for areas of improvement. It is not any failure but a sign of competence and diligence.
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2003 disaster; it's huge, and it's terrible but China learned from it and our submarines haven't seen an incident in 10 years. Every major country has these rare incidents, but with India, it's all the time.
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Rubbish article about how China hasn't fought a real war but it only trains itself. Well, guess what? All the "real wars" fought today are of a great power like the US beating on a little country like Afghanistan. That's not real combat; that's like beating up on a kid. Red vs Blue team training is arguable better than that type of "combat" because in training, at least you are getting used to operating against a peer, not a midget. Also, nobody fights us. We build in the SCS, the US doesn't fight us; they sail in circles and complain. We move heavy equipment into Doklam; India withdraws. We get into a tussle with India in Galwan, 20 Indians dead immediately with dozens captured.
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Addressed above and regurgitated. By the way, that is a really really short list for something that dates back almost 20 years. That's about as clean as it gets.
Don't ask me dude, I didn't write the article.
Yeah, exactly. That's how much responsibility you take for the things you post and say.

So... I already posted a bunch of recent Indian military failures. Do you really want a list of links or do you wanna just start from there since they're all major things that are easily searchable?
 

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Okey dokey artichokey let's do this:

Masturbation? This is a problem? I can already tell you've got nothing. Indians kills themselves and each other and you pull up an article about Chinese soldiers masturbating?? What's more serious a problem, a guy who masturbates or a guy who KILLS his teammates and then himself?

M'kay, not too bad. An article from 10 years ago about a leak on a Chinese sub. But nothing went out of commission and no one died. It's not Indian level failure but it's pretty big for a meticulous and competent country like China. And China, unlike India, actually has learned as the last incident was 10 years ago.

This is an article about Americans talking about why a $1M Chinese drone is inferior to a $4M US drone. Aside from this being completely unproven, the article is basically asking China's most bitter rival what it thinks about China. This is no incident and no sign of incompetence. The article is a pointless US complaint that Chinese weapons are eating away at US sales.

This article shows the Chinese military's continuous drive for improvement. Instead of India which cannot learn from its mistakes, China learns before it even makes mistakes. This is a collection of the Chinese military's self-assessments for areas of improvement. It is not any failure but a sign of competence and diligence.

2003 disaster; it's huge, and it's terrible but China learned from it and our submarines haven't seen an incident in 10 years. Every major country has these rare incidents, but with India, it's all the time.

Rubbish article about how China hasn't fought a real war but it only trains itself. Well, guess what? All the "real wars" fought today are of a great power like the US beating on a little country like Afghanistan. That's not real combat; that's like beating up on a kid. Red vs Blue team training is arguable better than that type of "combat" because in training, at least you are getting used to operating against a peer, not a midget. Also, nobody fights us. We build in the SCS, the US doesn't fight us; they sail in circles and complain. We move heavy equipment into Doklam; India withdraws. We get into a tussle with India in Galwan, 20 Indians dead immediately with dozens captured.

Addressed above and regurgitated.

Yeah, exactly. That's how much responsibility you take for the things you post and say.

So... I already posted a bunch of recent Indian military failures. Do you really want a list of links or do you wanna just start from there since they're all major things that are easily searchable?
I don't need it. Because I already know our problems. It's for all to see. As I said, I have nothing against it if you think India is third-class (or x-class) compared to China as long as it doesn't break the 4th wall. I just wanted to see what you will reply and see around here.
 
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Anyways, I am an Indian. So I wanted to ask you all. Ahh.....Is Chinese webnovels are like mangas in Japan or is it different? They are pretty popular in India. Wuxia? Xianxia? Xuanhuan. Which is the most popular? Where can I get a real hardcopy ? Or a Manhwa hard copy?
 
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