No you're right here India didn't control any area between blue and dotted pink line. China didn't either.
I simply do not understand why you automatically refer to this as "Chinese territory"... it's the current disputed territory.
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No you're right here India didn't control any area between blue and dotted pink line. China didn't either.
I simply do not understand why you automatically refer to this as "Chinese territory"... it's the current disputed territory.
Yes India patrolled almost to the end of Aksai Chin prior to 1962. After the war China had a pretty big presence in the plains. Most of the depsang plains are actually on the Chinese side of the dotted line.
If you're talking about the section of Depsang plains to the east of the blue line... yes of course that's on the Chinese side.
Depsang is rather large and ambiguous an area. I'm referring to sections west of blue line and the history of China gaining land here. Therefore if it can be said of any side losing territory WITHIN DISPUTED land, it would be India losing.
I find this semantics very troubling. The space between blue line and dotted pink line is the current dispute and where all the stand off is taking place (as far we we're told and can tell).
This area is neither Chinese or Indian territory.
A buffer will obviously be within this stretch unless PLA is further in and beyond this which I doubt but who knows.
Everything east of blue line China already controls and India claims. Everything up to the pink dotted line, China claims. In between India wants to take obviously if it cannot take anything east of blue line.
Because India claims something, it doesn't make it their's otherwise Aksai Chin would be Indian. The same applies to China. If China doesn't control what it claims, it doesn't mean it's lost territory. Otherwise following that line of thought, India's lost 20 times as much territory.
This area is neither Chinese or Indian territory.
A buffer will obviously be within this stretch unless PLA is further in and beyond this which I doubt but who knows.
Everything east of blue line China already controls and India claims. Everything up to the pink dotted line, China claims. In between India wants to take obviously if it cannot take anything east of blue line.
Because India claims something, it doesn't make it their's otherwise Aksai Chin would be Indian. The same applies to China. If China doesn't control what it claims, it doesn't mean it's lost territory. Otherwise following that line of thought, India's lost 20 times as much territory.
Actually, I think I we should have a pretty good idea of what is going on in Gogra-Hot Springs based on what is available through open sources(satellite imagery through maxar, plantet labs, et).. and google earth. Some people here want to make it more complicated than it is.I don't know if India lost territory. That depends on the details which India isn't giving even though it promised to give statements back in mid Feb.
China certainly hasn't lost territory. Nothing east of blue line has been taken or even temporarily occupied by India not even for negotation. The Indian intrusion into Reqin yielded no return in negotiation. If it did, disengagement at Pangong would not require India to go behind F3 and stay behind F3. Because it would be PLA disengagement from F4 in return for Chinese territory.
Neither side claims that India maintained control of the area the IA intruded into. China made a fuss when it happened and then quickly stopped while leaks confirm IA was quickly pushed out.
I don't know what any potential buffer at Gogra will entail. You do not either. The three of us don't know the real situation at Gogra.
As for Rechin, i don't want to discuss leaks
Obviously, that land had to be controlled by someone. I am pretty sure it is clear which side had been building the most bases, camps, roads, infra, etc.I find this semantics very troubling. The space between blue line and dotted pink line is the current dispute and where all the stand off is taking place (as far we we're told and can tell).
This area is neither Chinese or Indian territory.
A buffer will obviously be within this stretch unless PLA is further in and beyond this which I doubt but who knows.
Everything east of blue line China already controls and India claims. Everything up to the pink dotted line, China claims. In between India wants to take obviously if it cannot take anything east of blue line.
Because India claims something, it doesn't make it their's otherwise Aksai Chin would be Indian. The same applies to China. If China doesn't control what it claims, it doesn't mean it's lost territory. Otherwise following that line of thought, India's lost 20 times as much territory.
Actually, I think I we should have a pretty good idea of what is going on in Gogra-Hot Springs based on what is available through open sources(satellite imagery through maxar, plantet labs, et).. and google earth. Some people here want to make it more complicated than it is.
As for Rechin, i don't want to discuss leaks
Yeah the Indians have been on their side of Reqin or Rechin La. I was referring to a very short IA intrusion into China's side of Reqin. Afterwards, the most easterly position the Indians positioned themselves was at the foot of Black Top and Helmet Top at Reqiin's LAC.
Obviously, that land had to be controlled by someone. I am pretty sure it is clear which side had been building the most bases, camps, roads, infra, etc.
Nope. That's purely your totally unfounded conjecture. That stretch was always no mans land since the end of the war. If it was Chinese controlled, that blue line would be where the pink dotted one is. If it were Chinese controlled, you'd see PLA bases and bunkers there. But there are none that we know of that were built BEFORE this stand off.
So what we know if that land wasn't controlled by Chinese. I suspect it would have been patrolled by both and probably far more frequently by Indians simple because India claims 100% of total dispute and has certainly lost 80% of it - Aksai Chin and everything east of blue line.
Anyway I'm glad the Jai Hind crowd want to support the CCP's narrative and version of land titles etc lol
Yes yes all this stuff is happening on Chinese side. Indians have clearly gone into China and captured so much of it and forced the PLA to retreat and create buffers in its own territory.
Great.
Yes yes all this stuff is happening on Chinese side. Indians have clearly gone into China and captured so much of it and forced the PLA to retreat and create buffers in its own territory.
Great.
BTW India's side of black top and helmet top, it's half of the hill from the peak, is also Reqin. Indian troops doing photo ops were all within India's side of the established, mutually respected and recognised borderline. There is no dispute here otherwise why would IA stay at the foot of those hills? They don't want to go east of that forward line.
The image I posted earlier showed Chinese bases in Depsang since around 2000.Nope. That's purely your totally unfounded conjecture. That stretch was always no mans land since the end of the war. If it was Chinese controlled, that blue line would be where the pink dotted one is. If it were Chinese controlled, you'd see PLA bases and bunkers there. But there are none that we know of that were built BEFORE this stand off.
So what we know if that land wasn't controlled by Chinese. I suspect it would have been patrolled by both and probably far more frequently by Indians simple because India claims 100% of total dispute and has certainly lost 80% of it - Aksai Chin and everything east of blue line.
In Pangong, Sirjiap is west of the blue line.
And the base 15 km from India's gogra post was also built decades ago.
In Demchok, both India and China have had bases between the dotted and blue lines.
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