Ladakh Flash Point
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LOL everything past the blue line is 10 steps into Indian territory. Might I remind the Indians that Aksai Chin was disputed and now Chinese. That's 10 steps in. WRT to engagement and any potential disengagement, that is happening past the blue line which is well beyond where India claims and wants and was in the past disputed.
Everything is on India's side of dispute. Every PLA occupied space, and every Chinese controlled stretch is within India's side after India lost 1962.
This is history.
The rest of the recent stand-offs are held and done within India's "new" India side which is yet another step into India's side. All of this being disputed in the past and continue to be.
Neither has gone into China or India. But China has gone so far into India's claims it's essentially captured what China's wanted but short of what China claims.
If we call China not having everything it claims, India has even less.
Everything is on India's side of dispute. Every PLA occupied space, and every Chinese controlled stretch is within India's side after India lost 1962.
This is history.
The rest of the recent stand-offs are held and done within India's "new" India side which is yet another step into India's side. All of this being disputed in the past and continue to be.
Neither has gone into China or India. But China has gone so far into India's claims it's essentially captured what China's wanted but short of what China claims.
If we call China not having everything it claims, India has even less.
Subject : HOT SPRINGS (PP15)
(Guess I have to do this from now own )
Then either the satellite images used to mark this are outdated or the situation has changed there.
That post is still well over 6 km from pp19(just behind the Indian claim line). Shukla clearly does not know maps need scales. You still ahve not provided evidence of China violating Indian claims. And even if there is a buffer zone including pp19(and there is not, since disengagement is not complete) that must mean the buffer zone includes Chinese territory between pp19 and the pla post. You still ahve not presented any evidence against that.
When cornered, he goes to cité China's claim line.
Like, no shit Sherlock. China does claim land into Indian LAC.
Even though he is accusing me of being confused ... I have to say, he doesn't help a bit for me not being Confused.
You can't move the goalposts like that. All the recent engagement at Gogra Hot Springs to Galwan to Depsang were held at the edge of LAC which is already China ten steps forwards consider ALL of Aksai Chin and every part of current dispute was in the past totally uncontrolled. Since the end of the 1962 war, China controlled Aksai Chin and massive swathes of land west and south of what they used to actually control pre-1962.
These current stand-offs are even further into India.
Somehow "chinese territory has been turned into a buffer in Galwan."
LOL
The Jai Hinds are utterly shameless and/or totally stupid.
These current stand-offs are even further into India.
Somehow "chinese territory has been turned into a buffer in Galwan."
LOL
The Jai Hinds are utterly shameless and/or totally stupid.
WHAT!
I'm the one who drew the connections between the maps. It is right to PP19.
see for yourself!
Or do you have a different position for PP19?!
This is funny.
You two need to try and disengage from bickering about a leaf on the tree and miss the forest. I understand Xsizor is trying to address twineedle's insistence that China's lost something.
Please remember some facts.
Presently the situation at Gogra Hot Springs, Depsang, Demchok are still unclarified by official information from either side. Except recognition that full disengagement according to one sided wishes, have not been met or taken place.
The stand-off at Ladakh takes place beyond what both sides actually controlled.
However the stand-off also takes place WELL BEYOND what China used to control. All the confrontation points are well beyond what China used to control and traditionally patrolled. China was reacting to what it considered Indian political provocation/enmity and what it interpreted as India military aggression in increased patrols and efforts to build up towards dispute points. However, Indians understandably did this because China itself has been building up - road from F5 to F8 WITHIN disputed stretch.
Please remember some facts.
Presently the situation at Gogra Hot Springs, Depsang, Demchok are still unclarified by official information from either side. Except recognition that full disengagement according to one sided wishes, have not been met or taken place.
The stand-off at Ladakh takes place beyond what both sides actually controlled.
However the stand-off also takes place WELL BEYOND what China used to control. All the confrontation points are well beyond what China used to control and traditionally patrolled. China was reacting to what it considered Indian political provocation/enmity and what it interpreted as India military aggression in increased patrols and efforts to build up towards dispute points. However, Indians understandably did this because China itself has been building up - road from F5 to F8 WITHIN disputed stretch.
Detresfa clearly measured 15km between Gogra post and China's post. Now please observe where Gogra is relative to the lac. The image you posted created by Ajai Shukla shows pp19 as just behind the indian claim line(1962 lac) so that is what I am going on
Gogra post, posted again for your convenience.
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