As I mentioned before, i am not a fan of Raj, and stuff like this is one reason why.
Ladakh Flash Point
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Were there settlements and towns? I understand people use parts of Demchok as nomads do. Where was that Tibetan Demchok village of 8 or 9 huts located? Within the disputed during the 19th and early 20th centuries?
It does but India doesn't claim beyond F8. Everything beyond F8, China can do as it pleases. There is no reason for China to involve anything behind the blue line as part of negotiations.
Notice how China has artillery and troops right on the blue line along Gogra, possibly even troops on the western side of the blue line. India also has troops not far (east of pink black dotted one) which is within China's claimed land. So PLA having some new posts just on the east of F8 is nothing to be complaining about when India does similar elsewhere in Galwan to Depsang.
From what I have read on the subject, it seems that the village was around the same location, though there probably was not such a stark division between the two since it was actually a trading post along the silk road. For the most part, the stream seperating the modern towns was recognized as the border between Ladakh and Tibet by the Mughals, Dogras, and later British and Republic of India.
For some more context, here is the exact location of the stream, which is the de facto lac in the area. This is the chinese village as seen from the Indian side.
Demchok should just be split according to the river. Keep new "natives" and villages on respective sides. Problem solved lol. The Americans are keen to mention non-news as some Chinese invasion warning when both still dispute Demchok. Since civilians have and are using the land there (probably on their respective sides) just settle the border along the river. Those videos shared with clashes between groups of gov and gov supported civilians occurred where? India's side or China's side of the river? Seems like an easier dispute stretch to settle with a river flowing conveniently in dissection.
A relatively to the point article from Panag. Relatively free of nationalistic jingoism and typical flavours of misrepresentation and promotion of half truths as the usual media articles are full of.
Here on this thread, we are still left to wonder about the details on the Demchok confrontation/ stand-off and the situation of Depsang to Gogra & Hot Springs. Pangong like I said, was the media centrepiece for political narrative control and was made high profile owing not only to being the most obvious confrontation and military occupation zone, but also by design through dialogue to control all narratives for a peaceful settlement that's far more aligned to the 1959 offer. Overall, the more these political messages and narratives are controlled inside India, the more likely this matter is settled peacefully with both sides "gaining". If the confrontation actually gets worked out with peaceful settlement, I would commend both sides for providing more diplomatic tact than I would have given credit for.
The narratives are controlled in China that goes without saying. There is merit to monitoring dialogue and speech. This much has become increasingly clear in modern times. One must control dialogue and speech if the state wishes to have genuine sovereignty over its land. It's the first and last domain of warfare - psychological. There is only those who do and manage it sensibly and those who provide a cheap veneer of "freedom" ... increasingly exposed as selective speech, selective censorship, and overall simply not the virtue it's sold around the world by the Anglo/Zionist empire snakes. One can still question and find evidence and challenge the Chinese and CCP narratives. In recent decades, the CCP have proven themselves to be ironically more fair and accurate in its media. Western ones are about as hopelessly jingoistic and propaganda filled as North Korean ones at least when the topic is the "axis of evil". Indian ones are a crazy mess free for all with some decency and truth littered randomly in the chaos.
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The other side of of the coin. Jai Hind crowds don't like these attitudes because it presents the situation as too much of an Indian loss. The truth is in between the two.
These attitudes are as inaccurate as those old Jai Hind messages. No these are NOT India's side or Indian lands. If they can be settled on mutually agreeable terms which seems to be pursued by both sides, then that would be the ideal outcome for both. It's a long time coming to settle these stupid disputes. Overly pro-India (with critical perspective e.g. Shukla, Rahul Gandhi) attitudes are as unhelpful as the "we are supa and have won!" guys.
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