Ladakh Flash Point

reservior dogs said:

Pretty funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh.

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How dare the Indians kill off Gordan Chang! And Wu Sangui. Who will ever question Chinese economic status.

I'm fine with sacrificing 黃之鋒. Seems fitting

AndrewS said:

Yes, Indian hotels boycotting Chinese visitors is illogical.

But in another example, Japanese cars were subject to a Chinese consumer boycott some years back.

So Chinese consumers ended up buying Chinese, Korean, American or European cars instead.

That did make economic sense, because it strengthened the local Chinese automobile industry, as Japanese cars could be easily replaced.

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Unfortunately, India does not have the economic leverage China had over the Japanese boycotts in 2012 and the South Korea THAAD boycotts in 2017. And plus, with the Indian economy in shambles due to Covid-19, I think they can ill-afford any boycott at this time (something I think the Chinese are taking advantage of).

vesicles said:

Well, India has had a track record of somehow making effective machineries unusable. When powerful and well-tested weapons go to India, they stop working or get blown up in their warehouses and home ports... So even if they manage to somehow convince the US to lease F-22's and nuclear subs, the US might as well expect these weapons to never come back intact... So instead of the leasing prices, the US should charge the Indians the full prices of the weapons, plus fees to compensate the emotional distress of seeing their favorite toys getting blown up while sitting in their warehouses, .

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This is impossible. The US has refused to lease or let even their closest allies, the UK and Japan, purchase the F-22. Why in the world would the US lease them to India, a country which the US doesn't have any alliance with and one who purchases a bunch of Russian military equipment (e.g. S-400)? Some people are really delusional.

Figaro said:

Unfortunately, India does not have the economic leverage China had over the Japanese boycotts in 2012 and the South Korea THAAD boycotts in 2017. And plus, with the Indian economy in shambles due to Covid-19, I think they can ill-afford any boycott at this time (something I think the Chinese are taking advantage of).

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It’s so dumb. Indians are acting emotionally. Chinese FDI and companies actually help Indian domestic economy. They employ Indians, their managers are Indians, and in many cases source local parts as well. Let them boycott and destroy their own economy. It’s stupid and they don’t even know it.

Figaro said:

This is impossible. The US has refused to lease or let even their closest allies, the UK and Japan, purchase the F-22. Why in the world would the US lease them to India, a country which the US doesn't have any alliance with and one who purchases a bunch of Russian military equipment (e.g. S-400)? Some people are really delusional.

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The fact that they are willing to give up national sovereignty for a plane (even one as great as the raptor) is absurd considering that they are a self styled superpower.

vincent said:

How many Chinese actually stay in those budget hotels?

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I've stayed in a budget hotel in Delhi in 2014, they aren't that bad (breakfast usually is quite delicious) but its mostly for tourists who do backpacking and come to around $30-40 USD a night. To be honest, nobody is going to India for tourism right now with COVID, and it doesn't impact any Chinese national who MUST go to India for business/governmental level meetings, since they usually go to larger chains, which there are many in India. Its just grandstanding, and I doubt this will last into 2021. I also think the total foregone revenues to Delhi hotels will be less than $1 million, when you consider that there already won't be tourists there anyways. At most, this will just get a few thousand chinese tourists to go to Pakistan or Burma, although I would still think thats not particularly smart as well at this time.

Petrolicious88 said:

It’s so dumb. Indians are acting emotionally. Chinese FDI and companies actually help Indian domestic economy. They employ Indians, their managers are Indians, and in many cases source local parts as well. Let them boycott and destroy their own economy. It’s stupid and they don’t even know it.

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Well, when you consider the average Indian is very young (>50% of its population below the age of 25) and the 33% of Indian childrens are stunted due to chronic malnutrition then that's the "average Indian nationalists" right there that we are arguing against on the internet.

Is it really worth it to quarrel over this tract of land with developmentally stunted netizens? I wouldn't waste my time, China has real adversaries to worry about. They can have fairytales dreams of 'India SuperPowa 2020' all they want, go nutz!

By the way, one other reason China is taking these actions on the LAC with India now is because all Chinese nationals had been previously evacuated due to spread of COVID.

discspinner said:

By the way, one other reason China is taking these actions on the LAC with India now is because all Chinese nationals had been previously evacuated due to spread of COVID.

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Harming Chinese nationals would only bring diplomatic condemnation to India and decrease international sympathy. Even if there were Chinese nationals, I doubt the Modi government would be dumb enough to allow protesters to attack them.

The reason why China is taking actions on Galwan is because of Doklam. China demonstrated significant restraint in Doklam (since it was a bilateral issue between China and Bhutan), but PLA Brass told Xi that if you don't swat the overaggressive, overconfident Indians now, there will be many more Doklams in the future.

Without Doklam, without Indian overconfidence, the incident in Galwan wouldn't have happened.