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Figaro

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The reason why China is taking actions on Galwan is because of Doklam. China demonstrated significant restraint in Doklam (since it was a bilateral issue between China and Bhutan), but PLA Brass told Xi that if you don't swat the overaggressive, overconfident Indians now, there will be many more Doklams in the future.

Without Doklam, without Indian overconfidence, the incident in Galwan wouldn't have happened.
I think the Doklam incident was a wake up call for the Chinese in particular. It made them realize that if they did not aggressively pursue their border claims, the Indians would take advantage of this (much in the events preceding the 1962 war) and make illegal transgressions themselves, which was what happened in Doklam. For this reason, I doubt their will be any dismantling of PLA positions or any pullback to the pre May boundaries. The Indians really did this to themselves ...
 

discspinner

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I think the Doklam incident was a wake up call for the Chinese in particular. It made them realize that if they did not aggressively pursue their border claims, the Indians would take advantage of this (much in the events preceding the 1962 war) and make illegal transgressions themselves, which was what happened in Doklam. For this reason, I doubt their will be any dismantling of PLA positions or any pullback to the pre May boundaries. The Indians really did this to themselves ...

The Chinese were outraged at Doklam, but at that point, Xi Jinping still wanted to believe that there was some way to win over India, which is why the issue was settled peacefully, and followed by the Wuhan and Chennai summits. However, Modi continued to go against China's wishes. China has had enough of this BS. It knows long term India's goal is for an independent Tibet.
 

siegecrossbow

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The Chinese were outraged at Doklam, but at that point, Xi Jinping still wanted to believe that there was some way to win over India, which is why the issue was settled peacefully, and followed by the Wuhan and Chennai summits. However, Modi continued to go against China's wishes. China has had enough of this BS. It knows long term India's goal is for an independent Tibet.

From a strategic standpoint an independent Tibet benefits India since it would provide a buffer state against China. Currently the distance from New Delhi to China is around 300 km, which is around the distance from Austin to Houston. From the Indian POV this is like a sword hanging over their heads.
 

Figaro

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From a strategic standpoint an independent Tibet benefits India since it would provide a buffer state against China. Currently the distance from New Delhi to China is around 300 km, which is around the distance from Austin to Houston. From the Indian POV this is like a sword hanging over their heads.
An independent Tibet is all but impossible. Even if the CCP collapses, Tibet will certainly remain part of China under a new government. Hopefully, India realizes this and does not do anything stupid such as encouraging Tibetan separatism.
 

plawolf

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It’s only a sword hanging over the heads because they made it so. China could not care less about India. Had they just kept their heads down and focus half the effort they spend trolling on actual productive hard work, they could feasibly have pulled a China on China, and leveraged their demographics advantage into economic and military advantage as China’s population started to age. Much like how China used America’s distraction and underestimation to quietly gain ground until it was too late for America to effectively contain China.

Instead they have squandered their advantages and time, and created a vast pool of uneducated and unskilled youth who are fast becoming a massive social, economical and demographical time bomb, and are unwisely drawing themselves to China’s attention as a hostile power who would seek to do China harm just as soon as they obtain the actual means to do so.

Chinese strategists don’t like making knee jerk reactions, but they do have long memories, and I have no doubt long term Chinese strategies and planning are already being adjusted to take India increasingly into account, and China will gradually divert more resources to making sure India never obtains the means they seek to backstab China.

As per Chinese tradition, just how punitive and damaging those countermeasures are will depend largely on how hostile India becomes.
 

solarz

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It’s only a sword hanging over the heads because they made it so. China could not care less about India. Had they just kept their heads down and focus half the effort they spend trolling on actual productive hard work, they could feasibly have pulled a China on China, and leveraged their demographics advantage into economic and military advantage as China’s population started to age. Much like how China used America’s distraction and underestimation to quietly gain ground until it was too late for America to effectively contain China.

Instead they have squandered their advantages and time, and created a vast pool of uneducated and unskilled youth who are fast becoming a massive social, economical and demographical time bomb, and are unwisely drawing themselves to China’s attention as a hostile power who would seek to do China harm just as soon as they obtain the actual means to do so.

Chinese strategists don’t like making knee jerk reactions, but they do have long memories, and I have no doubt long term Chinese strategies and planning are already being adjusted to take India increasingly into account, and China will gradually divert more resources to making sure India never obtains the means they seek to backstab China.

As per Chinese tradition, just how punitive and damaging those countermeasures are will depend largely on how hostile India becomes.

To be fair, India does not have the national unity, political stability, and economic fundamentals to "pull a China".

India today has a literacy rate of 74% and a life expectancy of 69 years. That's equal to China's values 30 years ago!

How do you build a strong economy without a strong public education and health care system?
 

daifo

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Many large waterways going into China, India, Pakistan and south Asia originates from Tibet. Controlling this source ultimately control all the other countries. There is no way any competent Chinese leadership would give it up, it should be defended at all cost. Only an uneducated/traitor or HK protester would stupidly give up Tibet.


An independent Tibet is all but impossible. Even if the CCP collapses, Tibet will certainly remain part of China under a new government. Hopefully, India realizes this and does not do anything stupid such as encouraging Tibetan separatism.
 
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