Korean War 70 years later Win Lose and A draw

LawLeadsToPeace

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You need to get your history straight before butting in The korean peninsula was divided between US and Russia after Japanese withdrawal So who is meddling whom here Isn't if for Korean themselve to decide their fate. YOU just pick and choose history to drive your agenda.Either of the korean want to reunify Korean under their rule. The Chinese does not get involve until North Korean got beaten and retreated to the border.It is the Soviet and not the Chinese that occupy north korea after Japan left
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In 1950 the Korea Peninsula was divided between a Soviet-backed government in the north and an American-backed government in the south. The division of Korea into two halves had come at the end of World War II. In August of 1945 the Soviet Union invaded Korea, which had been under Japan's control since 1910. Fearing that the Soviets intended to seize the entire peninsula from their position in the north, the United States quickly moved its own troops into southern Korea. Japanese troops surrendered to the Russians in the north and to the Americans in the south. In an effort to avoid a long-term decision regarding Korea's future, the United States and the Soviet Union agreed to divide Korea temporarily along the 38th parallel, a latitudinal line that bisected the country. This line became more rigid after 1946, when Kim Il Sung organized a communist government in the north---the Democratic People's Republic. Shortly after, nationalist exile Syngman Rhee returned to Korea and set up a rival government in the south---the Republic of Korea (ROK). Each government hoped to reunify the country under its own rule.
While it is true that both sides wanted to reunify, initially the South and North didn't have the capacity to do so. However, the instigators were still the USSR and to a certain degree, China (though their initial involvement was basically nothing due to their focus on the Guomindang in Taiwan), and no, I am not cherry picking anything. Otherwise how would the North have the ability to smash through South Korean forces like Legos in the initial stages of the war? In my sources that I provided above, Stalin's quotes and messages with Kim Il Sung and Mao were pretty clear and cited. On the other hand, if the Soviets only provided enough weapons and supplies for the North to defend themselves and explicitly told Kim to not invade only for Kim to invade SK, then it is definitely a civil war. HOWEVER, history shows that such a scenario didn't occur. Finally, I have every right to butt in whenever I want, especially when I definitely got my history straight, cited all my sources, and saw over-nationalistic disinformation being spouted like a broken fountain.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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While it is true that both sides wanted to reunify, initially the South and North didn't have the capacity to do so. Otherwise how would the North later had the ability to smash through South Korean forces like Legos? However, the instigators were still the USSR and to a certain degree, China (though their initial involvement was basically nothing due to their focus on the Guomindang in Taiwan), and no, I am not cherry picking anything. In my sources that I provided above, Stalin's quotes and messages with Kim Il Sung and Mao were pretty clear and cited. On the other hand, if the Soviets only provided enough weapons and supplies for the North to defend themselves and explicitly told Kim to not invade only for Kim to invade SK, then it is definitely a civil war. HOWEVER, history shows that such a scenario didn't occur. Finally, I don't get the first part of your rant, and I have every right to butt in, especially when I see over-nationalistic disinformation being spouted like a broken fountain.

It is call manner and you don't have manner because you butt in. No you pick and choose history to justify your stand that China is at fault or North Korean at fault. The west always point the finger at China and NOrth Korea as the instigator of the Korean war. And you believe it by citing unknow or unverified website to support your claim The real reason for Korean war is murky and the south is not angel either They kill and massacre north korean supporter in the south and cause anger in the north. Didn't they supposed to hold election after japan retreat but never realized because the south against it . NO you just spouted revisionist history and I will rebut it here.

It does not logical for China to support war she had enough of it after 20 years of continuous fighting All she want is to leave it alone and build the economy as they were in shamble after Japan invasion, civil war and wwII But fate choose otherwise She has no choice but to resists the aggression! You don't see the video It take them long time to make up their mind almost half a year. It is ideology driven people like you who cause all the trouble inthe world!

China did not fight the war for the last 40 years and who get involve in the war every year just ask president Carter!
 
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LawLeadsToPeace

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No you pick and choose history to justify your stand that China is at fault or North Korean at fault. The west always point the finger at China and NOrth Korea as the instigator of the Korean war. And you believe it by citing unknow or unverified website to support your claim The real reason for Korean war is murky and the south is not angel either They kill and massacre north korean supporter in the south and cause anger in the north. Didn't they supposed to hold election after japan retreat but never realized because the south against it . NO you just spouted revisionist history and I will rebut it here
My goodness. The cause was extremely clear, and I am not trying to say one side has the moral high ground over the other. As for the South killing Northern supporters , the South was performing COIN operations against Communist guerrillas supported by the North (This is a wikipedia
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, but the sources to the history about the COIN operations are all legitimate). During those times, NOBODY intervened, and the North couldn't invade the South due to lack of supplies and weapons. If the USSR refused to arm the North, then the war wouldn't have started, and if the North invaded the South during those COIN operations, then yes it is a civil war and strictly an internal affair.
 

Hendrik_2000

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My goodness. The cause was extremely clear, and I am not trying to say one side has the moral high ground over the other. As for the South killing Northern supporters , the South was performing COIN operations against Communist guerrillas supported by the North (This is a wikipedia
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, but the sources to the history about the COIN operations are all legitimate). During those times, NOBODY intervened, and the North couldn't invade the South due to lack of supplies and weapons. If the USSR refused to arm the North, then the war wouldn't have started, and if the North invaded the South during those COIN operations, then yes it is a civil war and strictly an internal affair.

Are you having reading comprehension problem here let me repeat here BOTH SIDE GIVE ARM TO NOKO AND SOKO! If it legitimate for Soko to kill supporter of North Korean and it is legitimate of North Korean to invade and kill south korean ? Remember there was single KOREA and north or south korea. The division is caused by both the Soviet and US
 

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Are you having reading comprehension problem here let me repeat here BOTH SIDE GIVE ARM TO NOKO AND SOKO! If it legitimate for Soko to kill supporter of North Korean and it is legitimate of North Korean to invade and kill south korean ? Remember there was single KOREA and north or south korea. The division is caused by both the Soviet and US
Yes the division's caused by both parties. I never denied that. However, one side encouraged the other to go to war and gave them enough supplies to do so while the other didn't. I literally cited that above and @TerraN_EmpirE explained that too. You might want to thoroughly read through my sources.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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If you want to argue the conflict between 1945 and 1950 was a Civil war fine. Then your own argument gets pointed at China and Russia. The ROK was maintaining despite incursions from the DPRK.
But the main war the 1950 on conflict? That was the Soviets and Chinese Injecting themselves into the conflict.
The Soviets and Chinese armed and equipped the KPA to a 135,000 men half were veterans of both her Red army and PLA included in that would be Kim himself who was appointed by the Soviets after serving in the Red army. They armed the KPA to easily trounce the ROK.
  • 8 Full Divisions.
  • Each Division had a full artillery regiment
  • 2 half divisions
  • 2 separate regiments including 120 T34/85 Tanks, 5 Boarder Police Brigades
  • 180 Soviet Aircraft both fighters and bombers.
  • Naval Patrol craft

    Farther more the plan for invasion was done by Soviet advisers
They faced The ROK army, raised as a constabulary to fight the DPRK incursions. 95,000 men
  • 8 under strength Divisions 3 spread across the boarder for COIN.
  • 89 total 105mm light guns.
  • 0 tanks
  • Flight trainers + light aircraft
  • The ROKN matched the KPAN.
 

KenC

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The Japanese Imperial Army? You mean at the start of WW2. Korea that was gone.
The French were in no position to act against China. Hell the French had just moved from a Communist government. The ROK armored forces were armed with rifles Jeeps trucks and at most a couple left over Japanese guns. That threat didn’t emerge until after the war started. The US and UN forces stated the war demobilized. Landing craft had to be bought back from Japanese fishing crews. Bombers had to be refurbished from rusting where they had been left after the close of the war.
Not sure what you are trying to say - seems rather incoherent to me.
I think you should just look at video as obviously you have not seen it.
 

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@Hendrik_2000

My, wake up this morning and saw this. This is truly an international forum with people in different time zones. However I could swear one of the members here are in my time zone! Lol.

Anyway just a quick digest of what I read.

So, a country that's half the world away can interfere because it feels threatened by commies and the "dominoes effect".
Whereas another country with the enemy at the gate has no right to feel threatened. So can't interfere what so ever.

If that's not hubris, I don't know what is. Mmmmmm, kinda figures, doesn't it?
 
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