Korean War 70 years later Win Lose and A draw

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I don’t follow. Where would the US attempt an invasion?
In Taiwan, only place they can semi realistically hold, and only province they have built up a reasonable justification to attack, anywhere else would be even more naked annexation that would be even heavier condemned internationally.
 

Zichan

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In Taiwan, only place they can semi realistically hold, and only province they have built up a reasonable justification to attack, anywhere else would be even more naked annexation that would be even heavier condemned internationally.
I don’t get it. Why would they invade Taiwan? They had military bases on Taiwan in the 50s and 60s and 70s. They pretty much dictated Taiwan’s foreign policy up to present day.

The only time the US contemplated invading Taiwan was during WW2. In the end, MacArthur prevailed and they invaded the Japanese occupied Philippines instead.
 

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I don’t get it. Why would they invade Taiwan? They had military bases on Taiwan in the 50s and 60s and 70s.
Illegally so, with no ability to protect them should something happen. Hence these were later vacated due to the unsustainable risk of conflict US didn't feel prepared for.
They pretty much dictated Taiwan’s foreign policy up to present day.

The only time the US contemplated invading Taiwan was during WW2. In the end, MacArthur prevailed and they invaded the Japanese occupied Philippines instead.
Do you live under a rock?

It has been the longstanding ambition of US to seize China's east. To do so they would need an official reason and the military power to overcome Chinese defenses. They've been constantly preparing the ground.

They want this annexation so that they can project power over the Asian mainland and surrounding waterways, alongside the morale blow that losing core territory would do the Chinese government and people. If they could pull it off, it would put them back in the game in the great power struggle and make them significantly stronger than China.

The territorial aggression of America is the greatest reason for diplomatic breakdown between China and US.

What do you mean "the only time US contemplated invading Taiwan was during WW2?". So sending weapons, officials to hold dialogue with anti government fighters, potentially sending little green men in, is all not a prelude to invasion? Only China's own military power deters an American full scale invasion.
 
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Zichan

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Illegally so, with no ability to protect them should something happen. Hence these were later vacated due to the unsustainable risk of conflict US didn't feel prepared for.

Do you live under a rock?

It has been the longstanding ambition of US to seize China's east. To do so they would need an official reason and the military power to overcome Chinese defenses. They've been constantly preparing the ground.

They want this annexation so that they can project power over the Asian mainland and surrounding waterways, alongside the morale blow that losing core territory would do the Chinese government and people. If they could pull it off, it would put them back in the game in the great power struggle and make them significantly stronger than China.

The territorial aggression of America is the greatest reason for diplomatic breakdown between China and US.

What do you mean "the only time US contemplated invading Taiwan was during WW2?". So sending weapons, officials to hold dialogue with anti government fighters, potentially sending little green men in, is all not a prelude to invasion? Only China's own military power deters an American full scale invasion.
I am sorry, but thats absurd. There’s much to dislike about US foreign policy, but to believe that the US has territorial ambitions on Chinese mainland belies a deep lack of understanding of US foreign policy.

The US wants to remain the only regional hegemon in the world. To do that, in needs to maintain a degree of military and economic supremacy over China and with its network of allies have credible potential to contain China in case of conflict. Not in their wildest dreams would they ever want to annex Chinese land: that’s far, far more trouble than it’s worth. The US annexed the Philippines, but there was far too much opposition against incorporating them as a state which eventually lead to granting Philippines their independence. That annexation took place in an age when such things were still commonplace and acceptable. The opprobrium alone of annexing China’s eastern coast is reason enough why the US would never even contemplate it.

The best scenario for the US would be to have China as a vassal state, who they can exploit for economic purposes, like the colonial powers did in the 19th century.
 

Index

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I am sorry, but thats absurd. There’s much to dislike about US foreign policy, but to believe that the US has territorial ambitions on Chinese mainland belies a deep lack of understanding of US foreign policy.

The US wants to remain the only regional hegemon in the world. To do that, in needs to maintain a degree of military and economic supremacy over China and with its network of allies have credible potential to contain China in case of conflict. Not in their wildest dreams would they ever want to annex Chinese land: that’s far, far more trouble than it’s worth. The US annexed the Philippines, but there was far too much opposition against incorporating them as a state which eventually lead to granting Philippines their independence. That annexation took place in an age when such things were still commonplace and acceptable. The opprobrium alone of annexing China’s eastern coast is reason enough why the US would never even contemplate it.

The best scenario for the US would be to have China as a vassal state, who they can exploit for economic purposes, like the colonial powers did in the 19th century.
America would not conduct de jure annexation, but set up a de facto annexed puppet state after invading Taiwan, in the same manner Russia established the Donetsk and Luhansk "republics" to control Ukrainian land.

That is territorial ambition, and their actions and words show it. They are massing weapons, troops, political support, international "recognition" for an offensive. You are the absurd one to not recognize this naked aggression.

It may not be realistic than US offensive would succeed, but it is their dream, no matter how unrealistic. On June 23 2023, Biden declared he will move 400+ million $ worth of weapons to separatists fighting the government in China. The Taiwan Travel Act signed into US law 2018 lays the groundwork for American officials to encourage an attack on China.

There's just 20 million living on Taiwan. 200 000 US troops can occupy the region, and the surrounding islands which are barely inhabitated. It is not entirely unrealistic threat, if the PLA wasn't there to hold them off.
 
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gelgoog

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Taiwan is already a US protectorate. A province in all but name. Without US meddling Taiwan would not exist as an autonomous entity today.
 

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Guards of honor escort the caskets of the fallen Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) martyrs during a burial ceremony at the CPV martyrs' cemetery in Shenyang, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Nov. 29, 2024.

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The remains of 43 Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) soldiers who lost their lives during the Korean War (1950-1953) were laid to rest on Friday in Shenyang, capital of northeast China's Liaoning Province. (All photos by Xinhua/Li Gang/Pan Yulong/Li Jie)

The remains of the fallen soldiers were brought back to China from the Republic of Korea (ROK) aboard a Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force Y-20 transport aircraft on Thursday.

The burial ceremony began at the CPV martyrs' cemetery in Shenyang at 10 a.m. With the national anthem playing, the guards of honor carrying the caskets of the fallen martyrs entered the cemetery.

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People line up to present flowers to the memorial wall of Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) martyrs at the CPV martyrs' cemetery in Shenyang, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Nov. 29, 2024.

More than 300 people, including representatives from central and local authorities, the military, and relatives of CPV martyrs, attended the ceremony.

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This photo taken on Nov. 29, 2024 shows the caskets of the fallen Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) martyrs during a burial ceremony at the CPV martyrs' cemetery in Shenyang, northeast China's Liaoning Province.

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Soldiers fire a gun salute during a burial ceremony for the remains of the fallen Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) martyrs at the CPV martyrs' cemetery in Shenyang, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Nov. 29, 2024.
 
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