KJ-600 carrierborne AEWC thread

sheogorath

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^Maybe it was because the Soviet submarine threat receded? Besides, they still have the P-3, P-8 and MQ-4.
Still a dumb move if your own threat analysis showed that China would be next in increasing its submarine capabilities. Now the russians are back sooner than most people expected, while China is about to make a qualitative jump in that regard and the US have nothing to show for it as they even retired the Perry's

Also, those are land based platforms, good luck having a CVBG with ASW coverage while far from any friendly coast without a Orion or Poseidon detachment.
 

taxiya

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I don't see why would heat depiction of AESA transmitters should be a specific concern of it being used on KJ-600.

Just in 2018 Zhuhai airshow, China displayed the KJ-7A radar that was meant to replace the antenna panels of old aircraft which are know to lack the necessary space for water cooling and power supply. It is emphasized specifically that it is fully air-cooled. The radar has already passed in-flight test. It is a mature technology of more than two years. KJ-7A was specifically said to be the world first air-cooled aircraft AESA. It must be able to do the job in a small and light package that no other is able to do (for the moment).

There is no reason to think heat depiction is a blocking concern.
 

Tam

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I never said PESA is lighter than AESA. What I said is that the weight at the antenna level is larger in AESA than in PESA, because in the former most of the radar is embedded with the antenna, whereas the latter can have the transmitters and receivers located at a distance from the antenna. However, as a system AESA should weigh less than a comparable PESA. If true, they would’ve mounted the arrays much higher on Type 055.

With PESA --- referring only to parallel line feed PESA, for example N011 BARS, not spaced PESA like FLAPLID or MPQ-53, or frequency scan planars like TOP PLATE --- they have to use a line feed for every element, which is a highly shielded cable of the same length, which can be fiber optic. This particular design tends to be weighed down with the network of cables.

Parallel line feed
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Spaced or Optical
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Another reason for the weight is the use of ferrite phase shifters like this. The line feed cable goes to one end of this, and the other end goes to the antenna.

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Instead of the phase shifter being an IC in a PCB. Here you also see the circulator, the LNA for the receiver, the HPA for the transmitter, and an A/D converter, all in just a single small board.
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Digital receivers on the array would not be unheard of: that’s also known as a hybrid PESA/AESA radar.

Unfortunately, the manufacturer doesn’t clear this up, other than refering to the transmitter in singular and receiver in plural.
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This radar systems handbook also speaks of one transmitter and multiple receivers:
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We shouldn’t use the number of articles as proof for a thesis. Granted, there is reason to be suspicious and analysis by analogy weighs more on it being AESA.

If you have a digital receiver for every element, usually there is a circulator down of the antenna that routes the signal to a reciever, which has an LNA to amplify the signal then it goes into an AD converter. Then the receive part of the cycle turns to the transmit and the circulator reroutes the circuit for the transmit part which has an HPA and a phase shifter. Then back again.

On the cutaways shown I don't see a single large transmitter in the plane itself, what's radar related are its computing back end along with its exciter. On the other hand, if you look at the rotodome, there is a separate box behind its large element. It makes more sense to me there is a receiver and transmitter in each box, with a circulator behind each element. The exciter on the main body of the plane makes sure each transmitter marches to the same heart beat. I also don't see parallel line feed cables, and passing radar signals through a rotofeed does not sound like a good idea. You got a cable for every channel, but these cables look digital.
 
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halflife3

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New CGI of KJ-600. These could give us an impression of what it would look like. It looks accurate.
 

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halflife3

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part 2 of KJ-600 CGI.
 

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banjex

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What's the air vent on top of the fuselage - cooling for the dish?
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Assuming the Chinese designers used the E2 as a roadmap as it seems than yes. That’s the vapor inlet for the heat exchangers.
 
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