KJ-600 carrierborne AEWC thread

Max Demian

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But its not bulky. The heatsinks are sandwiched between modules and in contact with the ICs, so they act more like heat transferring layers rather than bulky items. They are typically made of aluminum and copper, which are not heavy materials.
Actually, copper is denser than steel. Typical high performance heatsinks use copper bases, copper heatpipes and aluminum fin radiators. If money and weight are not an issue, the radiators too can be copper.

I pointed out weight as an issue, because a similar problem had to be resolved in the design of FL III DDG-51. The new AESA radar added substantially more weight to the deckhouse. The solution was to enlarge and strengthen the hull: I guess they added also some ballast/lead to keep the CG low.

Your theory is that you don’t believe that APY-9 is actually a PESA? Despite the USNI publication and the Flightglobal diagram demonstrating it is not an AESA.
 
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Tam

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Actually, copper is denser than steel. Typical high performance heatsinks use copper bases, copper heatpipes and aluminum fin radiators. If money and weight are not an issue, the radiators too can be copper.

I pointed out weight as an issue, because a similar problem had to be resolved in the design of FL III DDG-51. The new AESA radar added substantially more weight to the deckhouse. The solution was to enlarge and strengthen the hull: I guess they added also some ballast/lead to keep the CG low.

Because of one example you would assume that in general AESAs are heavier than PESA and require liquid cooling, never mind the NEBO VHF AESA array I showed you never used any of that sort, and never mind that the Type 346 set weighs about less than 16 tons for a set compared to the SPY-1's nearly 6 metric tons per face, not counting the weight below which is another 65 tons.

Your theory is that you don’t believe that APY-9 is actually a PESA? Despite the USNI publication and the Flightglobal diagram demonstrating it is not an AESA.

Flightglobal diagram isn't exactly conclusive, never mind that it shows digital receivers on the array itself, and the broadband processor is also on the array. And what about the two links that I have shown you?

And this:

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So are they all wrong?
 
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Max Demian

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Because of one example you would assume that in general AESAs are heavier than PESA and require liquid cooling, never mind the NEBO VHF AESA array I showed you never used any of that sort, and never mind that the Type 346 set weighs about less than 16 tons for a set compared to the SPY-1's nearly 6 metric tons per face, not counting the weight below which is another 65 tons.
I never said PESA is lighter than AESA. What I said is that the weight at the antenna level is larger in AESA than in PESA, because in the former most of the radar is embedded with the antenna, whereas the latter can have the transmitters and receivers located at a distance from the antenna. However, as a system AESA should weigh less than a comparable PESA. If true, they would’ve mounted the arrays much higher on Type 055.

Flightglobal diagram isn't exactly conclusive, never mind that it shows digital receivers on the array itself, and the broadband processor is also on the array. And what about the two links that I have shown you?

Digital receivers on the array would not be unheard of: that’s also known as a hybrid PESA/AESA radar.

Unfortunately, the manufacturer doesn’t clear this up, other than refering to the transmitter in singular and receiver in plural.
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This radar systems handbook also speaks of one transmitter and multiple receivers:
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We shouldn’t use the number of articles as proof for a thesis. Granted, there is reason to be suspicious and analysis by analogy weighs more on it being AESA.
 
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f22tc

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Can you summarize?
  • Regarding the airframe configuration design: resembling E-2 in most aspects;
  • Airframe: large percentage of composite material for reduction of weight
  • Engine: objective engine: WJ-10 turboprop, as of now unspecified WJ-6 variant, power to weight ratio 3.2; new WJ-6 D and E variant has improved generator for avionics and radar.
  • Compatibility with aircraft carrier: not compatible with current CV-16 and CV-17, designed to take off with EMALS (003).
  • Radar: single rotating antenna for maximizing detection range.
 

supersnoop

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Now that it looks like KJ-600 is further along I had wondered if there were any plans for ASW version like S-2/S-3
I saw a few pages ago that it looks like that might be the case.

How credible is that magazine scan?
Furthermore, would the turboprop power be fast enough to track nuclear subs (which is one of the reasons S-2 was replaced with S-3 in the first place IIRC)

Always surprised that S-3 was retired without any replacement. Much greater range than helicopter.
 

banjex

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^Maybe it was because the Soviet submarine threat receded? Besides, they still have the P-3, P-8 and MQ-4.
 

supersnoop

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^Maybe it was because the Soviet submarine threat receded? Besides, they still have the P-3, P-8 and MQ-4.

That is obviously the case. I can understand the rationale, but surprised because it definitely reduces the amount of autonomy of the CVBG as those are all Land-based platforms.

Anyway, getting off-topic!
 
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