JH-7/JH-7A/JH-7B Thread

[Pointblank]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

and what if the target you just so happen to be flying over is an enemy position who, for the sake of argument, are armed with with SAM's?

That is the risk you will have to take. It is better than shooting without knowing if your target is enemy and then finding out when you returned to base that you hit a friendly position, and you killed friendly troops.

War is about calculated risks. You might have to risk assets to determine if something is a hostile or not.

 

[RavenWing278]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

That is the risk you will have to take. It is better than shooting without knowing if your target is enemy and then finding out when you returned to base that you hit a friendly position, and you killed friendly troops.

War is about calculated risks. You might have to risk assets to determine if something is a hostile or not.

I'm sorry but if the decisions is ultimately mine, I'm not about to put the lives of me, my co-pilot, and millions of dollars worth of hardware at risk going in to identify a target which is most likely hostile (otherwise I wouldn't be going there in the first place) and may or may not be armed with weapons that I am ill equiped to defend against.

 

[Pointblank]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

I'm sorry but if the decisions is ultimately mine, I'm not about to put the lives of me, my co-pilot, and millions of dollars worth of hardware at risk going in to identify a target which is most likely hostile (otherwise I wouldn't be going there in the first place) and may or may not be armed with weapons that I am ill equiped to defend against.

In a military, you have no choice. If you are ordered to go fly in, and identity and attack a particular target, you are required to perform the duty, even if it means the sacrifice of your life. How you wish to conduct the attack is up to you, but the mission must go through.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

I'm sorry but if the decisions is ultimately mine, I'm not about to put the lives of me, my co-pilot, and millions of dollars worth of hardware at risk going in to identify a target which is most likely hostile (otherwise I wouldn't be going there in the first place) and may or may not be armed with weapons that I am ill equiped to defend against.

Thats why you and me buddy are not in the military. In military disboying and order is a military crime and you can in extreme causes be put into military jail for a very long time. With the enemy area having SAM sites mostly ground forces would scout the area first to see if any visible SAM sites are current. But! Not always....

Flying over hostile area you always have a chance of being shot down, its not a leisure flight of flying around and dropping bombs, you always have threats. Bubble canopies have their use otherwise why would the USAF go to so much trouble and install them on their F-15

 

[RavenWing278]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

In a military, you have no choice. If you are ordered to go fly in, and identity and attack a particular target, you are required to perform the duty, even if it means the sacrifice of your life. How you wish to conduct the attack is up to you, but the mission must go through.

I know for a fact that in the USAF, If the risk to themselves are too great or collateral damage deemed unacceptable, the senior flight officer in the field has the right to countermand any order.
No one in their right minds would order an attack on a target without prior target identification or intel. Granted, intel will be patchy at the best of times in times of war, but any commander who sends their planes into a mission without any knowledge of what their up against will, at best, be relieved of command, or thrown in jail for a "very long time".

 

[SteelBird]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

A warmed remind: Guys, you go off topic further and further...

 

[Roger604]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

Back on topic... first the news that WS-13 is finally certified for production. Now the news that a new variant of JH-7 will soon be ready.

Looks like the "ideal JH-7" thread is not too far from reality.

The passage says that the new JH-7 will have the most advanced fire control system ever installed on a Chinese aircraft.

It does look like the PLAAF did an across the board modification of its major aircraft -- the flankers, the J-10 and now the feibao.

 

[kickars]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

The passage says that the new JH-7 will have the most advanced fire control system ever installed on a Chinese aircraft.

To be precise, the test pilot says it has the most complex fire control system ever installed on a Chinese aircraft.

 

[crobato]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

I can understand Pointblank's logic very well. Indeed visual ground identification is still a very important part of any strike mission, unless of course, other assets have done the IFF for you.

The problem I think with a bubble canopy is that it would horrify the aerodynamics of the plane. It wasn't an easy job doing that on the Flanker. The raised height on the Su-27UB also forced changes on other parts of the plane, like the increased height of the rudder in order to compensate for the turbulence. If you do it on the JH-7A, you would have to do the same, or do like what the J-10S did, which is to add a dorsal spine that also acts to smooth their airflow behind the cockpit. All of it adds weight and drag to a plane that already has marginal trust to weight ratio values.

To tell you the truth, I think even the Q-5 gives better downward view because of its small sloping nose.

My opinion is that I would make changes on the engine intakes instead, giving it a DSI and canting or angling the intake. That will reduce the plane's front radar signature, since obviously its the intakes that would most likely give the plane away---even the front engine fan blades are visible from the front. I will also make changes in the canopy in order to reflect radar waves away from the cockpit.

 

[King_Comm]

Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

JH-7 is not a CAS plane, it is a fight bomber, its jobs are battlefield interdiction, strike against high value targets deep behind enemy lines, and long range naval strikes, none of these really require a field of view matching that of A-10, for whatever JH-7 is doing, the thermo and daylight cameras in the Blue Sky pod are far more effective than any pilot's eyeballs.